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Post by ewenke13 on Feb 29, 2024 13:13:47 GMT -5
Chasing football destroyed Temple and Charlotte basketball, and most people dont know they have football teams or care about their football teams (D)Umass wants to replicate that? so dumb. The good thing is the A10 already replaced them with Loyola-Chicago. A better fit in a better city. I dont think we run to replace them. 14 teams is good That’s not necessarily true for Charlotte. They had a very good stretch from 1994-95 through 2004-05 only missing the NCAA tournament three years in that stretch while they were mostly a part of Conference USA. When Charlotte moved to the A10 for the 2005-06 season, they topped out with a 20 win season and a 21 win season in their eight years in the A10, but never once made the NCAA tournament. So let’s not pretend like they had a ton of success in the A10 and it went all downhill when they went back to a “football conference”. Since they move back to CUSA, they’ve mostly been lackluster as well. They did hit 22 wins last year in their last season with CUSA and are currently tied in 2nd in the American with FAU (#25 USF is first in the American). I follow their program from time to time but almost never watch a game. Disclosure: I’m an alum, but was born and raised in Olean - will be a Bonnie for life. |
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Post by kccgold on Feb 29, 2024 13:22:10 GMT -5
Chasing football destroyed Temple and Charlotte basketball, and most people dont know they have football teams or care about their football teams (D)Umass wants to replicate that? so dumb. The good thing is the A10 already replaced them with Loyola-Chicago. A better fit in a better city. I dont think we run to replace them. 14 teams is good That’s not necessarily true for Charlotte. They had a very good stretch from 1994-95 through 2004-05 only missing the NCAA tournament three years in that stretch while they were mostly a part of Conference USA. When Charlotte moved to the A10 for the 2005-06 season, they topped out with a 20 win season and a 21 win season in their eight years in the A10, but never once made the NCAA tournament. So let’s not pretend like they had a ton of success in the A10 and it went all downhill when they went back to a “football conference”. Since they move back to CUSA, they’ve mostly been lackluster as well. They did hit 22 wins last year in their last season with CUSA and are currently tied in 2nd in the American with FAU (#25 USF is first in the American). I follow their program from time to time but almost never watch a game. Disclosure: I’m an alum, but was born and raised in Olean - will be a Bonnie for life. cool yeah I didn't know their whole story like Temple. I knew they were relevant nationally in basketball and thats why they joined the A10 but havent heard much of them since |
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Post by catt on Feb 29, 2024 19:14:37 GMT -5
How many bids will the A10 get this year? I think UMass did the right move. The MAC could get a few more schools and be on par with the A10. I see it as a wait and see approach. Right now, we will be lucky to get 3 bids but more than likely 2 bids.
We have the best 1 - 2 punch at the center position in the A10 and a veteran squad, we need to be in the tournament this year and we need to win the A10 tournament to get in. Go Bonnies
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Post by chrismoses on Feb 29, 2024 23:17:52 GMT -5
How many bids will the A10 get this year? I think UMass did the right move. The MAC could get a few more schools and be on par with the A10. I see it as a wait and see approach. Right now, we will be lucky to get 3 bids but more than likely 2 bids. We have the best 1 - 2 punch at the center position in the A10 and a veteran squad, we need to be in the tournament this year and we need to win the A10 tournament to get in. Go Bonnies Dayton, VCU, Richmond and SLU have massive budgets and can buy pretty much any team they want for an OOC schedule and can secure H&Hs with top mid-majors and also ACC, SEC and Big East schools. MWC went through some lean years and now can get 4+ schools in the dance. There's no bias against the "little guys." Win your OOC games against the bad teams and steal a few games and you can get 3-4 teams in each year. On the other hand, MAC schools get bought and aspire to play H&Hs with middling CAA schools. SLU and Richmond made poor decisions with their head coaches and now are stuck in mediocrity despite incredible facilities, fan support and MBB budgets that are bigger than virtually every non- P5 and EVERY mid major program. Saint Louis has a bigger hoops budget than Wake Forest, Wash. St., GTech, BYU and Va. Tech. Richmond is obviously good this year, but ONE NCAA trip in 13 years is pathetic for a school like theirs. Akron has the BEST MBB budget in the MAC and they are ranked 173rd in the country. That number would rank LAST in the A10. Their conference has NO $$$. A10 has been a 1-bid conference ONCE in the past 20 years. MAC has been a multi-bid conference ONCE in the past 20 years and has no money to put together an OOC schedule that will allow them to get into AL consideration. UMass and virtually all the MAC schools SINK money into football programs that might draw 9,000 people on a Saturday in September for homecoming. There's no seat at the table for them in the CFB playoffs and they have no tie ins to decent bowl games. Payouts for the bowls they play in are less than $500K. Congrats to UMass on that MASSIVE football contract that will net them $590K for all sports, which is less than A10 members get for their MBB via ESPN/CBS/NBC. |
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Post by maplehurst on Mar 1, 2024 8:45:12 GMT -5
I still don't understand why UMass is hosting Missouri in their 17,000 seat stadium this season and not in Fenway Park. I also don't understand why an SEC team would agree to play there. I do understand why UMass is playing at Mississippi State and Georgia. They are sacrificial lambs for money.
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Post by derhut on Mar 1, 2024 8:58:28 GMT -5
for Umess to make this decision based on football is absolutely nuts...MAC football is actually fairly strong..crowds are small..but the quality of play is good...look over the last ten years...the better MAC football teams have taken down Big10 teams with much larger budgets. Many of the kids on MAC football rosters were recruited by P4 schools..but for various reasons ended up at MAC schools...and these guys play with a major chip on their shoulders getsomemaction.com/news/2023/8/30/football-forty-five-former-mac-student-athletes-make-initial-nfl-rosters.aspxMost MAC schools are either in or border talent rich recruiting areas..Illinois, Ohio, Penna, etc...So MAC schools can grab local talent. Umass...wtf. Throw in travel to the midwest centric MAC schools...Umess must be utilizing Billy Bulger's private $tash for travel expenses! UMess' largest hurdle will be recruiting for football. New England high schools do not put out enough D1 caliber kids to stock the roster of good old state U. Neighboring NY state puts out roughly 10 D1 kids for football per year..look at Uconn football...they are already fighting that battle...sure, New England has an extensive prep school network which puts out probably 5-10 blue chip kids annually...but this is hardly enough to stock the rosters of Uconn, BC, Umess, etc...the CAA and Ivies have the proper model and expectations for a successful football program located in New England. I say..Umess pulls the plug on " big time " college football in 5-7 years. |
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Post by jjjacks17 on Mar 1, 2024 10:01:14 GMT -5
UMass is going to go the way of Temple but with an even worse football program. Glad the A10 was proactive and grabbed Loyola. As a basketball conference we shouldn’t see much of a change. It will be nice to be back at 14 where we belong.
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Post by kccgold on Mar 1, 2024 10:14:20 GMT -5
They know they are giving up on basketball, they are white flagging it
The average A10 budget for basketball is around 4 mill, the average for the MAC is around 1.5 mill. UMass has sucked for 30 years in the A10 and they play in front of sparse crowds at the Mullins Center. Drop to the MAC, gut the budget and put it elsewhere - football or hockey, basketball team sucks anyway. Sad
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there's like a flickering perception that they are good at basketball because of their (now-vacated) run with Calipari. That was 30 years ago now and they havent won anything since.
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Post by rf1 on Mar 1, 2024 11:24:15 GMT -5
They know they are giving up on basketball, they are white flagging it The average A10 budget for basketball is around 4 mill, the average for the MAC is around 1.5 mill. UMass has sucked for 30 years in the A10 and they play in front of sparse crowds at the Mullins Center. Drop to the MAC, gut the budget and put it elsewhere - football or hockey, basketball team sucks anyway. Sad -- there's like a flickering perception that they are good at basketball because of their (now-vacated) run with Calipari. That was 30 years ago now and they havent won anything since. For more context on the men's basketball annual operating budgets (coach and staff salaries a significant portion) for A-10 and MAC schools, I found this link for 2023 data: theresourcenexus.com/budget/ A-10 Average $3.95M Dayton $5.98M VCU $5.88M St Louis $5.79M Richmond $4.20M St Joe's $4.14M Duquesne $3.96M Loyola $3.83M GMU $3.69M URI $3.63M Fordham $3.57M GW $3.30M Davidson $3.11M St Bonaventure $2.99M UMass $2.82M LaSalle $2.42M MAC Average $1.75M Ohio $2.45M Toledo $2.19M Akron $2.11M Buffalo $2.01M Bowling Green $1.83M Miami $1.63M CMU $1.58M Kent $1.58M Ball St $1.54M EMU $1.48M NIU $1.33M WMU $1.21M |
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Post by DemBonnies on Mar 1, 2024 12:54:59 GMT -5
..Umess must be utilizing Billy Bulger's private $tash for travel expenses! Thks DerHut...now I got coffee all over my computer monitor...Billy Bulger's private $tash---hehe...might need some of Whitey Bulger's salted away funds as well. |
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Post by dadster81 on Mar 1, 2024 14:14:44 GMT -5
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Post by Cassian on Sept 14, 2024 19:47:28 GMT -5
This looks to be one of the worst sports decisions of the past decade - football team is horrible and where’s the upside?
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Post by fjs64 on Sept 14, 2024 20:55:50 GMT -5
Of course I hate the thought of UConn going to the Big 10, or is it the Big 20…….
I remember such leagues as the Southwest Conference, the Big 8, the PAC 6 , then 10, then 12, now it is the PAC 2, and raiding the Mountain west, I rarely watch college football anymore, to me, it has lost its magic. Maybe I am getting too old.
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Post by skeller6 on Sept 15, 2024 7:40:58 GMT -5
UB hammered UMass yesterday in football 34-3.........how will UMass compete in the MAC?
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Post by kccgold on Sept 27, 2024 15:57:30 GMT -5
CBS Sports came out with their list of the 25 worst teams in college football and UMass was ranked 7th worst.
I guess the MAC is a good place for them though, there were several bottom feeders from the MAC including Kent State, whom they ranked the worst
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