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Post by bigcat on Apr 27, 2024 16:34:06 GMT -5
I’m pumping the brakes a bit on being overly aroused by the three signings. Happy we added to the roster … nice start … but Hinton, Moore and Bowen seem like average A10 players. Solid, not great. One is a Juco who scored 14 ppg… one a backup PG at Iowa … and the other a 10 ppg guy in the Valley.
Two were highly rated out of high school — we’ve seen that before with Winston (4 star), Poyser (#1 recruit in Canada) and Assa (4 star). The new guys do not appear to be the caliber of Adaway, Stockard, Posley or Mobley — who became stars after sitting/practicing/developing a year before suiting up at SBU.
Most of us know it takes time for transfers to reach their potential at Bonas. Pride was decent last season but incredibly inconsistent and not the leader and star we needed him to be. His pre-Bona resume was better than any of our three newcomers.
Who’s going to be the leader and stud on this roster? Doubtful it will be the backup center who now will be a starter for the first time.
Not trying to poop on everyone’s corn flakes but IMO the roster is not close to being top 4 level … talent, experience, comfort level with Schmidt’s system etc. Lots of recruiting work to be done to get to that point. Still possible but not there yet.
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Post by bub on Apr 27, 2024 17:49:49 GMT -5
I’m pumping the brakes a bit on being overly aroused by the three signings. Happy we added to the roster … nice start … but Hinton, Moore and Bowen seem like average A10 players. Solid, not great. One is a Juco who scored 14 ppg… one a backup PG at Iowa … and the other a 10 ppg guy in the Valley. Two were highly rated out of high school — we’ve seen that before with Winston (4 star), Poyser (#1 recruit in Canada) and Assa (4 star). The new guys do not appear to be the caliber of Adaway, Stockard, Posley or Mobley — who became stars after sitting/practicing/developing a year before suiting up at SBU. Most of us know it takes time for transfers to reach their potential at Bonas. Pride was decent last season but incredibly inconsistent and not the leader and star we needed him to be. His pre-Bona resume was better than any of our three newcomers. Who’s going to be the leader and stud on this roster? Doubtful it will be the backup center who now will be a starter for the first time. Not trying to poop on everyone’s corn flakes but IMO the roster is not close to being top 4 level … talent, experience, comfort level with Schmidt’s system etc. Lots of recruiting work to be done to get to that point. Still possible but not there yet. Bowen started the first 8 games last year at PG for Iowa last year. He hurt his knee and was eventually shut down for the year. I think Bowen will do just fine in the A-10. |
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Post by bigcat on Apr 27, 2024 18:21:56 GMT -5
Not saying Bowen will not be a good player but he lost his stating spot well before the injury late in the season. According to SB Nation:
“Bowen saw his playing time eaten into as head coach Fran McCaffery mixed and matched at the guard spots, often opting for combo guards such as Josh Dix or Tony Perkins to run the point. The addition of freshman Brock Harding into the mix made minutes even tighter.”
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Post by ceharv on Apr 29, 2024 16:45:15 GMT -5
Bigcat - I get you pumping the brakes. There are no obvious stars in the group so far, or even leaders. I think the excitement comes from two things. First, the BW is desperate for some good news, or even just positive news after the way things ended last season and thereafter with everyone leaving again. Second, the staff has shown the ability to find or develop stars from seemingly pedestrian players. I think back on how the signings of guys like Chad Venning, Jaren English/Holmes, Jalen Adaway, and even Jay Adams, weren’t that exciting and those guys didn’t project to be the stars they became, so maybe one or more of these guys will produce at a higher level then what their numbers have been so far. Hopefully some on-campus spies/reporters will start giving us info on who is looking the best of the group.
Personally, I see the recent signings as evidence that my concerns about Schmidt and staff were unwarranted and unjustified, thankfully.
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Post by ddsmugs on Apr 29, 2024 16:59:13 GMT -5
My hope is the new additions are coming with chips on their shoulders ready to roll.
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Post by geneseo on Apr 29, 2024 18:04:21 GMT -5
I’m pumping the brakes a bit on being overly aroused by the three signings. Happy we added to the roster … nice start … but Hinton, Moore and Bowen seem like average A10 players. Solid, not great. One is a Juco who scored 14 ppg… one a backup PG at Iowa … and the other a 10 ppg guy in the Valley. Two were highly rated out of high school — we’ve seen that before with Winston (4 star), Poyser (#1 recruit in Canada) and Assa (4 star). The new guys do not appear to be the caliber of Adaway, Stockard, Posley or Mobley — who became stars after sitting/practicing/developing a year before suiting up at SBU. Most of us know it takes time for transfers to reach their potential at Bonas. Pride was decent last season but incredibly inconsistent and not the leader and star we needed him to be. His pre-Bona resume was better than any of our three newcomers. Who’s going to be the leader and stud on this roster? Doubtful it will be the backup center who now will be a starter for the first time. Not trying to poop on everyone’s corn flakes but IMO the roster is not close to being top 4 level … talent, experience, comfort level with Schmidt’s system etc. Lots of recruiting work to be done to get to that point. Still possible but not there yet. A grateful Bona nation thanks you for not being overly aroused! |
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Post by bigcat on Apr 29, 2024 18:14:55 GMT -5
Bigcat - I get you pumping the brakes. There are no obvious stars in the group so far, or even leaders. I think the excitement comes from two things. First, the BW is desperate for some good news, or even just positive news after the way things ended last season and thereafter with everyone leaving again. Second, the staff has shown the ability to find or develop stars from seemingly pedestrian players. I think back on how the signings of guys like Chad Venning, Jaren English/Holmes, Jalen Adaway, and even Jay Adams, weren’t that exciting and those guys didn’t project to be the stars they became, so maybe one or more of these guys will produce at a higher level then what their numbers have been so far. Hopefully some on-campus spies/reporters will start giving us info on who is looking the best of the group. Personally, I see the recent signings as evidence that my concerns about Schmidt and staff were unwarranted and unjustified, thankfully. Good points, Ceharv. However, the days of developing players is over. All of that was pre-NIL and most except Chad were pre-portal. Maybe the red shirt guys improved and developed. I was merely pointing out that we need more talent to be an A10 contender or we need guys to stay 2 to 3 years so we can build. Not sure what is realistic. |
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Post by atlbonnie87 on Apr 29, 2024 18:24:58 GMT -5
I’m pumping the brakes a bit on being overly aroused by the three signings. Happy we added to the roster … nice start … but Hinton, Moore and Bowen seem like average A10 players. Solid, not great. One is a Juco who scored 14 ppg… one a backup PG at Iowa … and the other a 10 ppg guy in the Valley. Two were highly rated out of high school — we’ve seen that before with Winston (4 star), Poyser (#1 recruit in Canada) and Assa (4 star). The new guys do not appear to be the caliber of Adaway, Stockard, Posley or Mobley — who became stars after sitting/practicing/developing a year before suiting up at SBU. Most of us know it takes time for transfers to reach their potential at Bonas. Pride was decent last season but incredibly inconsistent and not the leader and star we needed him to be. His pre-Bona resume was better than any of our three newcomers. Who’s going to be the leader and stud on this roster? Doubtful it will be the backup center who now will be a starter for the first time. Not trying to poop on everyone’s corn flakes but IMO the roster is not close to being top 4 level … talent, experience, comfort level with Schmidt’s system etc. Lots of recruiting work to be done to get to that point. Still possible but not there yet. This is all legitimate but the reality is — how do any of us really know? Removing Mobley from your list because he put up serious numbers at the D1 level, but when did you know Adaway/Stockard/Posley were going to be legitimate stars? Jaylen Adams. Kyle Lofton. Same thing. The reality is we’re not going to know. It’s easy to sit here and be bought in on Bowen and Moore. It’s just as easy to point out (correctly I’ll add) what you have to say they won’t be good. But let’s face it — We’re not going to know until December at the earliest. Jones and Hinton are wild cards. I think Bowen and Moore will be good A10 players, but the reality for great is unlikely. Still it’s an unknown. And anyone trying to suggest otherwise in April is wrong. What I’m saying is I like that we have a few decent players who are absolutely able to compete in the A10 (Brown, Moore and Bowen) and really hoping one of the wild cards hits big (Jones, Hinton, also Chimobi Ikegwuruka and Tavion Banks are possible names to add here). Then maybe a surprise freshmen who immediately proves capable (Kaba, Thompson, Rose). I’m less inclined on the redshirts as we haven’t been successful there recently. All that said for this — I think there’s reason for hope. |
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Post by cb3pttee on Apr 29, 2024 21:55:39 GMT -5
Yes, you are both on the same page, which is Page 1. Let me know if you need any help navigating the website. This is excellent work. |
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Post by bigcat on Apr 29, 2024 22:04:52 GMT -5
Alt, you’re right. We never now. The common thread between all the SBU players you mentioned is that they had time to develop or joined a veteran team. Not so much with the new guys we just signed. They need to be the veterans, leaders and possibly a star.
Did any of us or even any Davidson fans think Foster Loyer would become an all-A10 player a few years ago? He was a backup PG at Mich State who averaged 4 ppg and 2 assists the year before transferring. Those are similar to Bowen’s stats at Iowa. So maybe his skills will translate into an all-A10 caliber player.
My definition of a star is a gutsy player who gives his all and can be counted on in the clutch and to lead. Lofton, Adams, Adaway and Stockard come to mind from earlier this decade. That piece definitely was missing last season.
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Post by demourse on May 1, 2024 20:20:56 GMT -5
Bigcat, be careful pumping the breaks. I now the team is still coming together but their are folks on this bored that will come after you if do knot support the team. Please hold all judgements against the kids so these fans don’t get they’re panties into a bunch. I called out Jones for being Rumple 2.0. At least I didn’t compare him to Congers.
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Post by coach on May 2, 2024 0:02:49 GMT -5
Bigcat, be careful pumping the breaks. I now the team is still coming together but their are folks on this bored that will come after you if do knot support the team. Please hold all judgements against the kids so these fans don’t get they’re panties into a bunch. I called out Jones for being Rumple 2.0. At least I didn’t compare him to Congers. First off, you can't say anything about rumpel. The bandwagon crowned him Jimmy chitwood when in all reality He was not at all a shooter. Anyhow, you spelled do not as do KNOT. Might want to correct that before the bandwagon grammar and spell check tasks force wake up. |
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Post by zorro (res) on May 2, 2024 7:09:08 GMT -5
Another lazy day at the ol' fishin' hole...
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Post by MM77 on May 2, 2024 9:07:56 GMT -5
How many players do we have on the roster signed, sealed and delivered? How many scholarships do we have left to give? Is the amount of money given to a player to sign with a college team public information? If so, curious what our players received.
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Post by gregmitch70 on May 2, 2024 9:47:49 GMT -5
Bigcat, be careful pumping the breaks. I now the team is still coming together but their are folks on this bored that will come after you if do knot support the team. Please hold all judgements against the kids so these fans don’t get they’re panties into a bunch. I called out Jones for being Rumple 2.0. At least I didn’t compare him to Congers. First off, you can't say anything about rumpel. The bandwagon crowned him Jimmy chitwood when in all reality He was not at all a shooter. Anyhow, you spelled do not as do KNOT. Might want to correct that before the bandwagon grammar and spell check tasks force wake up. Some on this board seem to have forgotten how Rumpel started his Manhattan career last autumn. I was neither a backer nor basher of Rumpel at SBU but he went on to win a starting job at Manhattan with a stellar pre-season. His coach called him his 2nd best player and his best defender. He only got to play 5 games before serious injury. His shooting was fine and rebounding stats very good. Yes, mainly vs. weak teams but against NCAA-bound Kansas he scored 11, even hit a trey, with 5 rebounds. Good enough to play 33 minutes. Yes, still too many TOs. Team went on to finish 10th in the MAAC. Make of it what you will. We'll see what he does next year.... |
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