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Post by jh on Sept 24, 2005 12:50:45 GMT -5
This staff has not been able to 'close the deal' and get some players signed...however most observers agree Solomon has had more talent visit this campus than prior staffs....thats half the ball game..eventually more will end up signing....obtaining visits is often a function of hard work and long established connections.....
Also..in now way can you compare what JB walked into (low win team however much talent was in place) or the situation jvbk walked into (recent ncaa appearance) to what Sol walked into...
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Post by Chuck on Sept 24, 2005 14:18:23 GMT -5
"Closing the deal" in recruiting is all that matters. What is this "half the game?" Either you sign the player and succeed or you do not sign the player and you failed. Recruiting is not like horseshoes, where you get points for being close. I agree Solomon is a hard worker, but since when was this a guarantee of success. DeCarli was a harder worker than Chapman and look who turned out to be the better recruiter.
JH unlike yourself I do not find it positive to see Solomon with numerous near misses. It is not a positive trend and has me wondering why he can't close the deal. I do wonder the reason for Solomon being able to sign his 2 highest recruited players (Boggans and Burch) during his first year with the Bonnies. It would seem the scandal would have less effect on recruiting as it becomes more and more in the past. Hopefully you are correct, but I think it is reasonable to accept Phantom's "wait and see" attitude toward Solomon's recruiting. To leave on a positive note, compared to last year this is clearly a more talented team and this occurred because of Solomon's hard work.
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Post by jh on Sept 24, 2005 20:56:33 GMT -5
Chuck....its too SIMPLE to judge recruiting only by the 'players who sign'....typically a staff may have 25 candidates each year for 3 spots...over a 3 year period thats 75 players recruited/targeteed for 9 slots....its very important to see the quality of the 75 as much as the 9 signed,,,,,3 years is an obvious short pool to draw consclusions from....but stats will tell you if u keep on bringing in top 75 that sometime more will sign than not due to individual preferences..
AJ Hawkins may be a 2000pt scorer at this school....
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Post by SyracuseBonnie on Sept 25, 2005 9:06:01 GMT -5
I think some posters no this board need to wake up. there is no doubt that Soloman is a great recruiter. If you didn't enjoy these past two years of recruiting then you're not a bonnies fan. the future is very bright! I don't know why everyone loves Baron and hates Soloman. They're almost the same in that neither can coach their way out of a paper bag but there are a few differences. Soloman can recruit beyond WNY and Ohio and Soloman wants to be here at SBU, unlike Baron. Bon Voyage Jimmy! Ok let's catch up to the present. How's baron doing at Rhode Island? hahaha! what a joke. the fact is we beat RI twice last year. Yes, i know the score of one of those games favored RI but make no mistake, we beat them twice. It's too bad that RI isn't in WNY maybe Baron would have a chance of recruiting somebody decent. So, how does Soloman recruit these great players you might be asking. Is it by pointing out our recent baskteball success, the great weather, ideal location, or the amazing fan base that loves and supports it's current coach, (not the one from the mid 90's)? I don't think so. It's cause he inspires them. Soloman has nothing to sell to his recruits, yet some of them actually come here. NCAA apperances fade but a coaches strong character does not. Soloman will always be a winner, because he chooses to be one. SBU will always be in good hands as long as he is around. Who would you choose to play for Soloman or Baron?
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Post by jh on Sept 25, 2005 16:20:50 GMT -5
Chuck...also..its far easier to 'close the deal' on a low level recruit you get to visit the campus...than if u get a better recruit to visit....yes JB was able to get Orion Garo to 'close the deal'.....at the same time he told James reeves (1st team all MAAC) to go to Niagara....who made that wise decision?  ? I like Baron a lot...and if I had my way he would have been extended a long term contract he deserved after the 2000ncaa year......but that has zero to do with the fact Solomon has us in on far more quality and numbers of quality than prior staff....and doing so under far less circumstances.....would love to see SOL recruit after an NCAA or NIT year.... |
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Post by O2level on Sept 26, 2005 6:24:14 GMT -5
Recruiting is one thing, but, if Sol continues his "hockey-like" substitution methods we are in for another long year. With all the new faces there is going to be competition at almost every position!
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Post by Phantom on Sept 26, 2005 10:00:46 GMT -5
Now that I have awaken from my slumber, allow me to say. I don't necessarily love Jimmy Baron or dislike Coach Solomon. But to say there is NO doubt he is a great recruiter is over stating a bit! I agree Mike Lee is going to turn out to be a nice player. Relph and Hawkins have yet to play a minute of ball for us, and let's face it. Relph has some issues!
Dave Fox didn't even play 1/2 a game for his junior college team, let alone start for his high school team. But coach closed the deal on him, we'd be lucky if he even turns out to be Orion Garo!
Of course Coach Solomon wants to be here! $250,000 a year, with our cost of living, 2nd asst. to head coach of a D1 program, hardly a major sacrifice. I like the guy, but dont use that argument!
I am encouraged with the people we are going after, but like Chuck mentioed earlier, this is not horseshoes. And even though I am not quite as impressed as others with the recruiting to this point, I am now and always will be a die hard Bonnie Fan!
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Post by mangham on Sept 26, 2005 12:27:45 GMT -5
hey guys lets put things in perspective. We are now a bottom feeder and need to get back to where we were. You need to contact as many recruits as possible in order to see who's up for the challenge.....ask Duquesne and Fordham fans how long they've been waiting.
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Post by Phantom on Sept 26, 2005 14:03:39 GMT -5
I understand that, but it does not make him a "great" recruiter! I will repeat... he is targetting some good talent. But, I will hesitate to hang that label on him, until he brings some of them in!
He is pounding the pavement hard and he appears to be a hard worker. No doubt about it, his task is a tall one!
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Post by jh on Sept 26, 2005 19:48:58 GMT -5
Phantom where does anyone state that "Sol is NO DOUBT a great recruiter" He has recruited well and better than prior staffs.... |
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Post by Phantom on Sept 27, 2005 6:58:40 GMT -5
Approximately 7 posts earlier SyracuseBonnie used those exact words, Below is his opening statement:
"I think some posters no this board need to wake up. there is no doubt that Soloman is a great recruiter."
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