sbu83
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Post by sbu83 on Dec 28, 2005 13:23:24 GMT -5
Save this post for a month from now;
So - we have had one player quit.
We have had one player become academically ineligible.
We can't compete in the A-10.
We can't win on the road (good win at FIU, second one was neutral court against a bad team).
No verbals from any stud players.
Substitutions every dead ball continue.
Dunston still not playing.
Boggans, Burch, Cage, Brown, Gansey - the list goes on.
Time to cut our losses - thank Solomon for being there for three years and not committing any violations - and then hire a basketball coach!
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Post by mangham on Dec 28, 2005 13:44:07 GMT -5
Save this post for a month from now; So - we have had one player quit. We have had one player become academically ineligible. We can't compete in the A-10. We can't win on the road (good win at FIU, second one was neutral court against a bad team). No verbals from any stud players. Substitutions every dead ball continue. Dunston still not playing. Boggans, Burch, Cage, Brown, Gansey - the list goes on. Time to cut our losses - thank Solomon for being there for three years and not committing any violations - and then hire a basketball coach! are you a garbage salesman?
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Post by B02 on Dec 28, 2005 13:45:53 GMT -5
Burch, Cage, Brown, Gansey all had nothing do with Coach Solomon. Boggans couldn't stop smoking marijuanna or go to an important thing called class. From what it sounds like the two incoming players will fill the voids of PML and Smith quite nicely. You probably are under the belief that everything was such a wonderful world when Jim Baron was here... his team is not doing too well this year at all. Also, when he was here you had players knocking out students, credit card fraud, Argentinian players taking Spanish classes, and people like Orion Garo not knowing where to stand on a foul shot. Players leaving and players being academically ineligible happen in D-1 basketball. There are times when players need to take their ownership of the actions they commit whether it be plagairizing a paper, driving when you had too much to drink, or abusing drugs and alcohol. A coach can only be a parent for so many hours a week to these athletes.
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Post by DemBonnies on Dec 28, 2005 13:48:13 GMT -5
We must be the only team in the country to have this happen.
We must be the only team in the country to have this happen.
Said Duquesne, Fordham, UMass, URI among others.
Got me there!
Imagine the nerve of them going to upper echelon schools and overlooking us!!
Funny, heard the FIU coach did the line change too. We have 9 dressed players. Think they may need a blow?
Not playing up to his potential...seems he's been dismissed as a contributor. Anything positive is seen as overacheiving.
Let's see Boggans career went "Up in Smoke" Burch ain't lighting his fire with the Friars. Cage and Brown have not faired so well for us to kick the coach and Gansey...well that's a whole other thread.
SBU83 (if that's when you went there) wasn't JOB the coach then? Would he have interviewed for this job if there was a death sentance on the program?
I think not!!
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Post by EddieBall on Dec 28, 2005 14:08:42 GMT -5
Am I the only person whose perception was/is that Marques became a large "problem" for Coach Sol? His attitude seemed at times to be pretty self-serving--remember the suspension at Cleveland (Kent St.)? My point, I guess, is that M.G. under Baron, vs. M.G. with Sol, might be an unfair comparison.
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Post by B02 on Dec 28, 2005 14:39:09 GMT -5
Yeah I also heard that Green was a factor in the Gansey departure.
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Post by Chuck on Dec 28, 2005 14:40:16 GMT -5
That leaves us the PML question mark as unagreed upon territory. I say PML is not the same person as he was pre-injury albeit he was never a tenacious defender. I worry now that Tyler's unwillingness to drive and penetrate is a factor of his injury. Many times until these injured players take a whack to the previously injured area, are stepped on or twist an ankle and find that they're okay, they may be hesitant to test it. Certainly Patrick has had more than enough time to totally heal. I question how much longer we can afford to let him try and shoot his way out of his slump. That's a check we can't cash right now. Given all this, how you cannot say that Solomon started at/below zero is hard for me to fathom, unless it is an axe you have to grind with him. Again Dem, I agree with everything you have to say. Excellent points about Patrick and Tyler's injury. I guess the only thing we disagree about is the definition of "starting below zero." I interpret starting below zero as a new D-1 coach who: Inherits a team consisted of only borderline D-1 athletes. I do not believe Marques Green, Moe Young, Ahmad Smith and Patrick Lottin represent borderline D-1 athletes. Has a recruiting budget that affords you to have only 1 assistant coach, such as Alcorn State or a recruiting budget that enables you to only recruit players from adjacent states and not cross the country like the Bonnies. Inherits attendance that is calculated in the 100's and not the 1,000's, such as FIU. All I know is Joe Mihalic of Niagara must have found the Bonnie position more appealing than his own, because at the time he publically stated he would have been interested in an interview. Dem thank you for the responses. I thought this was an interesting and respectful debate. Without a doubt difference of opinions, create the most interesting and insightful discussions.
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Post by efsboca on Dec 28, 2005 14:54:38 GMT -5
I recall a number of players coming and going during the early tenure of JB. He often brought in 4 recruits and had 2 leave within a short time. Bottom line is that you can't always tell whether people will be the RIGHT people until they are here, and like JB, he is rebuilding. He may have had MG and Ahmad when he arrived, but he had nothing inside, and it is usually year 2 and 3 when things hit their bottom. I think we hit bottom last year and we are now clearly on the upswing. Sol will get the job done.
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Post by Chuck on Dec 28, 2005 15:16:10 GMT -5
Clearly Solomon has this program headed in a positive direction. Probably the most impressive thing with the turn around is he did this without Tyler Relph. You want some teams the Bonnies can compete against in the A-10. IMHO the Bonnies can compete with Duquense, Fordham, Richmond, LaSalle and Rhode Island. Last year, no way would I have made the above comment. Start of season I thought the Bonnies would have been one of the bottom 2 teams. Now I believe they will make the A-10 tournament, with Duquense and someone else being left out.
Solomon deserves credit for upgrading the talent on this team. He obvioulsy hit homeruns with the signings of Michael Lee and AJ Hawkins. With the impressive play of Lee and Hawkins, Solomon has proven that he can sign quality players. Who can say Solomon has not already or will sign another "stud?" By the way, Lee and Hawkins were both signed during the spring.
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Post by sburizz on Dec 28, 2005 16:17:15 GMT -5
I do not question Solomon as a recruiter or a public relations person, he can recruit as well as I can remember any coach at Bonaventure and he is one of the nicest people I have met. What I do question is his actual ability to coach. I have yet to see a positive, game changing move that he has made. That does concern me because good coaches can do more with less talented players. We are making steps in the right direction though, I like Jourdan Morris a lot, think he is going to be a stud.
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Post by brooklynbonnie on Dec 28, 2005 17:42:45 GMT -5
Am I the only person whose perception was/is that Marques became a large "problem" for Coach Sol? His attitude seemed at times to be pretty self-serving--remeber the suspension at Cleveland St.? My point, I guess, is that M.G. under Baron, vs. M.G. with Sol, might be an unfair comparison. I also knew, from a reliable source, Sol could not wait for Green to graduate. He became uncoachable.
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Post by brownandwhite on Dec 28, 2005 21:39:42 GMT -5
Solomon is the right guy for the coach at SBU. I know him personally and i think he will turn the program around if not this year next. Solomon wants what the fans want and he wants more fans to come out to the games. He is on the same eye level as the fans. VBK couldn't stand St. Bonaventure and he wasn't on the same eye level.
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Post by sneakers on Dec 28, 2005 22:15:22 GMT -5
The critical comments are beyond rational. Dem is correct. Sol began well below zero with a program on probation and a history that every school we recruited against was sure to bring up with recruits. It's amazing to me that Sol could get the program heading in the right direction so quickly. There are plenty of bad times ahead, but the worst is over. Mostly due to the hard work of Sol and his staff.
Thanks coach!!
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Post by sburizz on Dec 29, 2005 0:08:50 GMT -5
Sneakers the critical comments are due to the fact that in coaching terms, coach does not appear to know his Xs and Os. I don't think anyone can argue that, all they can say is that we don't have talent but we have no semblance of an offense and a very rough defense. Sol works hard but right now his actual game coaching appears to be very poor. He did start near zero but that is no excuse for not being able to coach a team on the court. All these players are D1 calibur regardless of what anyone on this board says. I'm rooting for coach but not encouraged from what I've seen.
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Post by DemBonnies on Dec 29, 2005 7:51:34 GMT -5
Not to flog an expiring member of the equine family but in case some of you have short term memory loss, this program had leprosy just 2-1/2 years ago.
Did you think that we were going to get an experienced top flight coach who was a seasoned recruiter, an established X's and O's man, a model citizen and wanted to relocate his family to a rural location like the Olean/Allegany area that was going to take our resurrection on as his pet project?
We have a pretty decent person here who is living and evolving as person and a coach while he rebuilds a bombed out program.
He needs much more time and much more support and understanding than the majority here are giving him.
This wasn't Coach K handing the Cadillac program off to an assistant and us watching him run it into the ground. Then we have reason to gyrate our craniums.
We had a broken down program (inside/outside) it was on semi-solid ground with Baron, appeared to continue until the debacle with the JVBK nightmare, hit the wall at the end of his thankfully brief stint, fell into the deep abyss and it is slowly weaning itself back from life support. It is not ready for Prime Time (as last night's regression proves) but it will crawl/walk and then run again soon.
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