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Post by bjif on Sept 4, 2014 2:18:01 GMT -5
Firstdev- Just to be clear, the consultant is being paid for by a grant issued by the Oishie Foundation near Buffalo.
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Post by firstdev on Sept 4, 2014 7:11:48 GMT -5
Those hundreds of thousands of dollars in grant moneys could be used for retaining the AD or providing better health insurance coverage to faculty and staff for example. Instead we find the cash being expended for West Coast consultants - again more personal agendas not university agendas..........
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Post by sony on Sept 4, 2014 8:10:01 GMT -5
1stdev - I'm sure you are aware that grants are most often awarded for funding specific initiatives or endeavors and the funds may only be used for those specific purposes. Is it your understandng or do you have knowledge that this grant is available for unrestricted purposes?
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Post by tomgleason on Sept 4, 2014 8:18:56 GMT -5
Time to weigh in on firstdev...I'm not sure he has an understanding of much...except his hatred toward the administration. ..and his incessant running down of the University. ..he doesn't understand that always complaining about the administration doesn't solve anything...action does...If you want change, ACT...otherwise, you sound like a whining, sniveling broken record
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Post by cincybonnie on Sept 4, 2014 8:36:14 GMT -5
Firstdev, actually, no, the funds can't be used for things such as salaries for the AD and improving health insurance. If you look at the John R. Oishei Foundation website you will see that in 2013 we were awarded a grant of $250,000 specifically for a Strategic Alliance Partnership Project with Hilbert College. This year Hilbert College was also awarded a $300,000 grant for a Strategic Alliance Partnership. I would guess a budget detailing the proposed spending is required when applying for the grant, and full accounting of the spending is also required after it has been awarded. Spending outside of the budget for things like you suggest would require that St. Bonaventure return the $250,000. That is assuming the Oishei Foundation is not the one writing the checks to the vendors themselves, and St. Bonaventure never actually had the $250,000 in their bank account.
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Post by sony on Sept 4, 2014 9:35:00 GMT -5
Yea - what I said!
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Post by firstdev on Sept 4, 2014 10:28:28 GMT -5
tomgleason - No hatred is ever involved, that is not part of our Franciscan values, but asking hard questions is always relevant. So you don't feel that there is a problem with the direction of this outstanding university - ok I respect your opinion, but stop with the personal attacks, no one has the time for such trivialities. If you feel that there is no need to retain the AD then state so. If you feel that paying inferior salaries and medical benefits for faculty and staff is ok then state so. If you want to cheer lead be my guest. If you are satisfied with the frosh enrollment levels then state so. If you feel that having a CEO push personal agenda items is ok then state so. Stick to the issues of leadership or lack therof. Censorship should never be tolerated in a democracy, and the last time I looked, that was still our model. This outstanding university, located on one of the most beautiful campuses in America, but is in need of new leadership, one that respects our traditional Catholic and Franciscan origins, not some politically correct agenda for a half baked merger plan. It is high time to evaluate the CEO and make a decision on future goals and aspirations - that is a legitimate process, which is by the way part and parcel of any CEO selection process in the United States today. By the way foundation grants can come in many forms, with many areas of concentrations - applications can be made for many uses. In the past the Oshei Foundation has issued grants for many diverse callings. Have a good day!
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Post by az63 on Sept 4, 2014 10:38:34 GMT -5
bjif,cincybonnie, thanks for your input on the Oishei Foundation but it appears, that no matter the facts, firstdev will find something else to bitch about; especially since we now know he has "internal sources". One can only wonder if the "sources" are whiney, one trick ponies also.
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Post by 5and23 on Sept 4, 2014 12:03:31 GMT -5
Wait, haven't you all heard of the Give Your AD a Big Raise Foundation? Lots of grants available for these things, all you have to do is apply!
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Post by ceharv on Sept 4, 2014 13:15:21 GMT -5
I agree with much of what is said here (except for the personal rancor), and add my two-cents that the real fear is an ultimate (and irreversible?) lack of $$, which likely will one day soon extend to our head coaches, and the success we all hope for/expect will only hasten that day. I think the big picture is that coaches, top admins, etc. are realizing success is never a "one-person job', but results from a group effort and are thus realizing that to reach and maintain success, they need to attract and keep quality staffs. Thus it it no longer just OK that they are paid well, they need their staffs to be paid well, quality facilities, etc. All of which costs big money, of course. That points out the challenges faced by places like SBU that don't draw the big donations, TV revenue and such.
On top of that I agree that this would hurt if he left for a clear upward move but hurts more if he leaves for NDSU - particularly when trying to bring in his replacement. It's one thing to get someone to Bonas as a step to UCLA or Michigan or such place, but a directional state U? That's a tougher sell.
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Post by ceharv on Sept 4, 2014 13:19:10 GMT -5
I agree with much of what is said here (except for the personal rancor), and add my two-cents that the real fear is an ultimate (and irreversible?) lack of $$, which likely will one day soon extend to our head coaches, and the success we all hope for/expect will only hasten that day. I think the big picture is that coaches, top admins, etc. are realizing success is never a "one-person job', but results from a group effort and are thus realizing that to reach and maintain success, they need to attract and keep quality staffs. Thus it it no longer just OK that they are paid well, they need their staffs to be paid well, quality facilities, etc. All of which costs big money, of course. That points out the challenges faced by places like SBU that don't draw the big donations, TV revenue and such.
On top of that I agree that this would hurt if he left for a clear upward move but hurts more if he leaves for NDSU - particularly when trying to bring in his replacement. It's one thing to get someone to Bonas as a step to UCLA or Michigan or such place, but a directional state U? That's a tougher sell.
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Post by sbu79 on Sept 4, 2014 15:51:14 GMT -5
I agree with much of what is said here (except for the personal rancor), and add my two-cents that the real fear is an ultimate (and irreversible?) lack of $$, which likely will one day soon extend to our head coaches, and the success we all hope for/expect will only hasten that day. I think the big picture is that coaches, top admins, etc. are realizing success is never a "one-person job', but results from a group effort and are thus realizing that to reach and maintain success, they need to attract and keep quality staffs. Thus it it no longer just OK that they are paid well, they need their staffs to be paid well, quality facilities, etc. All of which costs big money, of course. That points out the challenges faced by places like SBU that don't draw the big donations, TV revenue and such. On top of that I agree that this would hurt if he left for a clear upward move but hurts more if he leaves for NDSU - particularly when trying to bring in his replacement. It's one thing to get someone to Bonas as a step to UCLA or Michigan or such place, but a directional state U? That's a tougher sell. You are significantly underestimating NDSU. It would be a leap to go from SBU to there. Their athletic program is very attractive -football is a powerhouse (FCS national champions the past 3 years and have defeated a FBS team for the past 5) and basketball is quite competitive. Didn't we lose a recruit to them a few years ago? UCLA and Michigan level programs are unrealistic. The only negative to North Dakota State is its geographic location and accompanying weather.
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Post by ceharv on Sept 4, 2014 16:00:47 GMT -5
Sbu79 - you are correct. I jumped to a conclusion due to NDDU not being a "name" program to this point in its existence. Maybe SW sees himself getting in on the ground floor of the next Boise State, if so, I hope he is correct and wish him well. I was just underwhelmed without knowing more.
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Post by sbu79 on Sept 4, 2014 16:08:21 GMT -5
Sbu79 - you are correct. I jumped to a conclusion due to NDDU not being a "name" program to this point in its existence. Maybe SW sees himself getting in on the ground floor of the next Boise State, if so, I hope he is correct and wish him well. I was just underwhelmed without knowing more. ceharv: The outgoing AD at NDSU was pullling about $200k. I don't know how that compares to SBU for AD. From all the numbers I have heard about Schmidt's comp., the NDSU coach's salaries may not exceed SBU. BUT, it is a football school and they are making noise that they belong in the Big 12. That could be the same kind of noise Siena fan's are making regarding belonging in the A10 (just noise). Someone posted an article about N. Dakota schools' poor infrastructure, and it is the case that $$ support for athletics is under pressure there, but I think for someone in Watson's position, if he wants to move up in the world of college atheletics, this would be an attractive next step.
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Post by bbb on Sept 5, 2014 5:24:58 GMT -5
They're making noise about being in the Big 12?!? They should probably get into the FBS first for a few years.
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