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Post by localfan on Jul 25, 2015 12:26:51 GMT -5
Several of us are disappointed in the decision to add courtside seats in front of the students. Some of us were even more disappointed in the way the situation was handled, from the press release to the Q&A.
Though we may be disappointed, the decision isn't changing. And while I, for one, have been critical of the handling of the decision, I feel the need to encourage everyone to join me in moving forward from the decision.
I'm concerned that some people may form a long-term opinion about our new AD based on this one decision. I think it's important to continue to provide support and see how the decision works out. There's a learning curve for everyone. And I'm confident that Tim Kenney has our best interests at heart.
I won't tell anyone how to spend their money or hint about whether or not they should continue to donate. That's not my - or anyone else's - place. What I will say is I hope you join me in moving forward and not allowing one decision to shape my opinion on our new leader or this department.
Go Bonnies.
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Post by 123Rob on Jul 25, 2015 14:23:19 GMT -5
Thank you for saying "moving" instead of "marching" forward
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Post by firstdev on Jul 26, 2015 7:47:12 GMT -5
This decision needs to be changed and it needs to changed quickly too. We can not afford the loss of BAF donors and loyal supporters of this program. Time for damage control.
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Post by fan4ever on Jul 26, 2015 8:41:13 GMT -5
This decision is deja vu Wickenheiser. Flat out strong warning to the new AD....if this seating plan is an indication of what you're all about do us all a huge favor and just resign. We've all been down this road before and we're not going to allow it to happen again.
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Post by efsboca on Jul 26, 2015 14:09:39 GMT -5
This decision is deja vu Wickenheiser. Flat out strong warning to the new AD....if this seating plan is an indication of what you're all about do us all a huge favor and just resign. We've all been down this road before and we're not going to allow it to happen again. I've been reading everything onthis topic, and All of the comments on this topic have been pretty foolish. Everyone is complaining because a row of seats will be between the students and the floor. Really? This is what you all are worried about? The school has been in bad financial shape for some time and enrollment is shrinking as costs of school have increased. In 10 years, SBU may not exist if we don't make some changes. The new majors are a start, but a lot more is needed. I have always been an advocate for students at games because it is their team, but all schools marginalize their students for monetary gain these days and many changes have occurred since the '80's as relates to student seating, so big deal, we have another. People complain when they are not personally asked their opinions on changes, get real. If you are a fan, be a fan, if not, get out of the way because more change will be coming. Not all change is for the better, but we 'll never know without making the change. So strap in, enjoy the ride and hope for the best. Ultimately, we want a stronger school, and the only way to get there is by making changes. Not everyone will agree with every change, so let's try to move forward.
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Post by thebonafan08 on Jul 26, 2015 14:54:10 GMT -5
On that note of change lets play all men's games in the Richter Center. So much cheaper one less basketball court to maintain, less employees to hire. We need change so let's do it. Let's remain calm and see if it works out.
Few people here are saying change is bad or we need to stay "status quo". The frustration is that this decision is so obviously bad amongst a myriad of better alternatives it should have never even been made. This is not raising prices, this is not getting rid of majors, or a controversy over a new building placement, this decision is destroying the one true advantage Bona has in a league built against it. No Bona fan should let this happen quietly.
The arguments that the athletic department had to do it or that people who are upset are just against change/stuck in tradition simply are not true whatsoever.
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Post by pete on Jul 26, 2015 15:29:04 GMT -5
On that note of change lets play all men's games in the Richter Center. So much cheaper one less basketball court to maintain, less employees to hire. We need change so let's do it. Let's remain calm and see if it works out. Few people here are saying change is bad or we need to stay "status quo". The ustration is that this decision is so obviously bad amongst a myriad of better alternatives it should have never even been made. This is not raising prices, this is not getting rid of majors, or a controversy over s new building placement, this decision is destroying the one true advantage Bona has in a league built against it. No Bona fan should let this happen quietly. The arguments that the athletic department had to do it or that people who are upset are just against change/stuck in tradition simply are not true whatsoever. Thankyou.FAN008
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Post by thesenator on Jul 26, 2015 17:33:01 GMT -5
there are 2,132 members of the bandwagon...i'd say (conservatively speaking) that represents over 20,000 years of know-how and experience in problem-solving of one sort or another...so if bonas were to hire you as a consultant tomorrow, what 3 courses of action would you recommend to strengthen its financial footing?...3 courses of action to grow the enrollment?...you can recommend 6 distinct courses of action (3 for each problem) or offer one/more courses of action that would address both problems at the same time...the course(s) of action you recommend may be the kind(s) of change(s) efsboca alluded to as needed and inevitable...i believe people are paying attention to what is being said on this board...i'd also like to believe that, moving forward, that they're going to be impressed with some of the suggestions made and look for ways to implement them...the more know-how, the more experience that's called upon, the better the end result will be...
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Post by 123Rob on Jul 26, 2015 19:32:29 GMT -5
Thank you for the idea senator. From your posts, it appears that you (like me and so many other bandwagon posters/alums) are concerned about the current shape of SBU and it's future. I have given the situation quite of bit of reflection and prayer. Good or bad, off base or not here are some of my thoughts. 1.) it is time for St. Margaret and the BOT to have an honest and frank communication with the alums/friends of Bonaventure about our financial state and enrollment difficulties. I realize that such a public admission my start a brush fire (just look at the seating debate), causing some temporary bad press and rumors of imminent demise. However, I do not believe that enough of those who care know the true situation. A better grasp of reality would spark a surge in donations outweighing any negativity. Part of this needs to address why we were intrigued by a merger with Hilbert and what in the wide, wide world of sports caused 18 months of study to result in bubkus. Which leads to 2.) St. Bonaventure needs a more substantial, more permanent physical presence in Buffalo. Clearly, the graduate programs at Hilbert have worked. A more solid base would allow growth in this area. On top of that, it could address to some extent the negative of our rural location. Some HS kids look at our location and cross us of the list. That will never change. But what if the kid that isn't completely turned off but ultimately picks a more urban or suburban locale for college? We can never quantify that. But how about a "semester in Buffalo" or "summer in Buffalo" program? Might current students stay for summer classes (or commute from their Buffalo homes) or get a head start on classes at UB or Daemen in our articulation programs. A Semester in Buffalo might be a welcome break for those that need a Starbucks or a Macy's fix. I would have to think this would equal more enrollment, more tuition dollars, fewer accepted students choosing other schools. 3.) covert Francis Hall to a hotel. Preferably, with some retail/food service included. There are no full service hotels in the immediate area-only at the casino. I have to think a small full service hotel on campus would have a high occupancy rate. It could make campus more appealing to conferences and events, weddings, reunions, etc etc. maybe a prominent alum with a company that develops hotels and other properties would be interested. A Chipolte style taqueria in the old cafe space, a NYC style bodega/deli, other small retailers-clothing store/ hair and nail place/gift shop/ coffee shop etc in the basement and first floor might appeal to students, hotel guests, faculty/ staff, nearby residents. It would decrease the expense for the University in maintaining an underused building that it doesn't know what to do with and improve appeal to potential students all at once. 4.) establish a Corporate College and College of adult and Continuing Education. Do nearby business, large and small, need training courses, continuing Ed? Could the local community look to SBU as a means to degree completion, certifications in professional areas, and edutainment? This would boost, part-time enrollment, tuition and be a source for faculty to augment and boost salaries. It would provide a consistent avenue for successful alums to return to campus, share their expertise and remain vitally connected to Bona's. So that was a long winded answer to your plea for ideas. Hopefully, others have more and better ideas to help move our beloved St. Bonaventure forward.
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Post by fjs64 on Jul 26, 2015 22:11:55 GMT -5
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Post by B02 on Jul 26, 2015 22:41:29 GMT -5
That article should clear up any issues of why the change and put this discussion to bed.
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Post by BonaFan on Jul 27, 2015 7:54:41 GMT -5
On that note of change lets play all men's games in the Richter Center. So much cheaper one less basketball court to maintain, less employees to hire. We need change so let's do it. Let's remain calm and see if it works out. Few people here are saying change is bad or we need to stay "status quo". The frustration is that this decision is so obviously bad amongst a myriad of better alternatives it should have never even been made. This is not raising prices, this is not getting rid of majors, or a controversy over a new building placement, this decision is destroying the one true advantage Bona has in a league built against it. No Bona fan should let this happen quietly. The arguments that the athletic department had to do it or that people who are upset are just against change/stuck in tradition simply are not true whatsoever. What are the better alternatives?
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Post by kcSBU03 on Jul 27, 2015 8:20:33 GMT -5
People need to face the fact that something was going to change whether we liked it or not. To me, this is not that serious of a change as long as the people who buy they seats in front of the students know what they are getting into, and it sounds like they do (according to the articke B02 posted.)It doesnt remove the home court advantage and it appeases the whiners from UMass and other schools. St Joes better be making some changes too though.
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Post by tastylicks on Jul 27, 2015 8:27:48 GMT -5
People need to face the fact that something was going to change whether we liked it or not. To me, this is not that serious of a change as long as the people who buy they seats in front of the students know what they are getting into, and it sounds like they do (according to the articke B02 posted.)It doesnt remove the home court advantage and it appeases the whiners from UMass and other schools. St Joes better be making some changes too though. if st. joes doesn't make any changes then this looks even worse I hope I'm wrong but theres no way in hell I see a nice cohesion of the students and the courtsiders. I thought that was the worst part of Kenney's Q & A, when concerns were addressed about that it was almost like he was surprised at that question or that it hadn't crossed his mind. Maybe not but thats how it seemed.
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Post by fan4ever on Jul 27, 2015 8:31:06 GMT -5
Well....the article does and it doesn't. More than anything the communications regarding this change in seating was bungled by AD Kenney particularly as far as us alumni and the students are concerned. Also, it would have been nice to know Coach Schmidt's views as well as those of the University's Director of Security. I truly hope that AD Kenney has learned something from this fiasco and that we can expect much improved transparency, consideration and sensitivity going forward.
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