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Post by fjs64 on Jun 27, 2017 16:26:18 GMT -5
Why did Coburn leave? I have a theory, that really hasn't been proven, but I believe has merit.
Let's start this with a player who was on the women's team a couple of years ago, Miranda Drummond. A very good student/athlete. In my few interactions with her, she always had a book in her hand, mostly biology. She was very smart, and wanted to continue in the medical field. Hard to get to at Bonaventure. Then a triggering event, the departure of Crowley, gave her the opportunity to leave. She was also a good basketball player. She selected a school that allowed her to get the degree she wanted, with a medical school/hospital associated with the school. That school happened to be Syracuse. And by transferring she got an additional free year of education while she sat out due to NCAA transfer rules.
Now let's look at Coburn. He was by far the best student on the team, garnering an almost 3.6 GPA. His mother and father are both in the medical profession, a PA and a Doctor. Coburn's goal was to follow in his mom's footsteps and be a Physicians Assistant. Something he couldn't directly get at Bona's. But there needed to be a triggering event, he was on campus the 1st summer session, went home and announced the decision. Maybe it was seeing little playing time, maybe it was something else, maybe it was not seeing a clear path to his medical goals, or maybe it was simply knowing that if he transferred he would get a 5th year free, like Miranda.
I hope we find out, I really liked the kid and thought he would be a good Bonnie. Guess we will never see that.
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Post by 123Rob on Jun 27, 2017 16:55:05 GMT -5
That was a big part of Woods decision last year. He wanted to study architure or something along those lines. HOWEVA..... You theory is full of holes. Bonaventure is a great place for an undergraduate that wants to go into a medical field. Our program with GW Medical school requires application out of HS but we have programs for students to be accepted at LECOM and Upstate Medical (no longer directly part of SU, BTW). There are similar programs for PT, Dental and Pharmacy through other schools. MOST importantly, our new school of Allied Health has launched an undergrad degree and graduate degrees are being formulated. They will likely be in place by the time Coburn graduates.
Please, please, do not tell people or allow them to believe that St. Bonaventure is not a good place to launch a medical career.
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Post by mcspin on Jun 27, 2017 20:38:52 GMT -5
You can go to almost any university and be accepted to med school. Do the necessary volunteer work, score high enough on the MCATs and get a high GPA in a science program and you're in. My daughter got accepted to Med school out of Bonas.
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Post by elitetaylor33 on Jun 27, 2017 23:52:41 GMT -5
I don't blame him one bit for leaving tho I'm actually really upset by it! I had really high hopes for him as a Bonnie, and I really thought this season would be a semi breakout yr for him, and I don't care if I get bashed for this, but this is on Coach, if you don't redshirt a true freshman who has a lot of potential, and let him rot away on the bench, this is exactly what happens!! I'm tired of seeing players transfer, for whatever reasons, maybe Coach should take a good hard look in the mirror.. I really hope Coburn goes on to have a very successful college career!..
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Post by dadster81 on Jun 28, 2017 4:16:01 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 6:30:40 GMT -5
Can we all just hold the opinions on whose "fault: it is? Tareq wants to go to a different school. I have no idea why, and that is ok because it is none of my business. Let's wish him well and not do our dime store analysis on the situation.
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Post by agoo on Jun 28, 2017 7:43:12 GMT -5
You can go to almost any university and be accepted to med school. Do the necessary volunteer work, score high enough on the MCATs and get a high GPA in a science program and you're in. My daughter got accepted to Med school out of Bonas. All of those extra things you need are really not compatible with being a division I basketball player. If med school is his true dream, he's better off playing at a school with a premed program.
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Post by ceharv on Jun 28, 2017 8:14:32 GMT -5
I don't know if this has any pertinence to Cobun leaving, but from what I see it has to be tough for a highly successful high schooler who is chased after by numerous D1 coaches all telling him how good he is and how much he can do for their program, who then basically sits for a year and also then sees other quality players being brought in. Plus there's also the factor of family and friends, AAU coaches, etc. whispering in their ears that they're not appreciated and so forth and are wasting away their eligibility on the bench. I hate to lose his potential and the depth he could have provided, plus the disruption to the Program and his life, but from a purely hoops perspective, I presume the staff saw this coming and will bring in someone capable of matching the depth Coburn would have provided this coming season. And Class70, wasn't Gathers a graduate transfer? If so, that's not the same thing in my mind.
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Post by firstdev on Jun 28, 2017 8:19:14 GMT -5
That was a big part of Woods decision last year. He wanted to study architure or something along those lines. HOWEVA..... You theory is full of holes. Bonaventure is a great place for an undergraduate that wants to go into a medical field. Our program with GW Medical school requires application out of HS but we have programs for students to be accepted at LECOM and Upstate Medical (no longer directly part of SU, BTW). There are similar programs for PT, Dental and Pharmacy through other schools. MOST importantly, our new school of Allied Health has launched an undergrad degree and graduate degrees are being formulated. They will likely be in place by the time Coburn graduates. Please, please, do not tell people or allow them to believe that St. Bonaventure is not a good place to launch a medical career. Could not agree more - Bonas has an outstanding pre med program in conjunction with George Washington University Medical School. We have produced many fine MD's over the years after science or pre med education at Bonas. One friend is a top trauma surgeon and department head at a major regional hospital after receiving his BS in Biology at Bonas. AN received his BS in Physics and will probably go to med school after his NBA career is completed. Great testimony as to our academic standing.
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Post by Saulius Dumbliauskas on Jun 28, 2017 9:09:23 GMT -5
AN received his BS in Physics and will probably go to med school after his NBA career is completed. What?
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Post by class70 on Jun 28, 2017 9:51:21 GMT -5
I don't know if this has any pertinence to Cobun leaving, but from what I see it has to be tough for a highly successful high schooler who is chased after by numerous D1 coaches all telling him how good he is and how much he can do for their program, who then basically sits for a year and also then sees other quality players being brought in. Plus there's also the factor of family and friends, AAU coaches, etc. whispering in their ears that they're not appreciated and so forth and are wasting away their eligibility on the bench. I hate to lose his potential and the depth he could have provided, plus the disruption to the Program and his life, but from a purely hoops perspective, I presume the staff saw this coming and will bring in someone capable of matching the depth Coburn would have provided this coming season. And Class70, wasn't Gathers a graduate transfer? If so, that's not the same thing in my mind. Yes, he was a graduate transfer and we never really got the full story behind his leaving for his final year. If there were academic issues that forced the decision, then he isn't really a good example of someone we lost who went on to do well for some other Div I program. He also didn't excel at the level that would dispel my assumption that most of those we lose are the result of a conversation with the coaching staff that concludes with both sides agreeing the athlete would do better elsewhere. Actually, the full story is never really our business unless the player wants to make it so. Some situations just don't work out, but if someone will run the numbers on Bona's transfer rate, I expect we'd see it's lower than otner top 100 Division I programs.
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Post by Bonafan71 on Jun 28, 2017 10:07:14 GMT -5
I thought Kaputo would be gone and Coburn would stay but I think someone else pointed out that the arrival of Poyser might have contributed to Kaputo's decision to stick around under the pretense he may get some starting minutes his senior year with his Canadian pal.
Playing time decisions are difficult. As a coach you have to weigh what's best for the team while also being careful not to damage the egos of your starters and known assets. My only suggestion here would have been to give Coburn some of Taqee's playing time. I was impressed with Coburn's defense in the short bursts he got to showcase it and he certainly had better shooting potential. But I guess we'll move on with someone else.
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Post by mnbonnie on Jun 28, 2017 10:22:08 GMT -5
I don't know that I have any insights into why Tariq decided to leave. Everything I know about the young man was that he was first class. I would to thank him and his family for having been a part of what we all feel is a very special place and more than anything else, wish him nothing but the best going forward.
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Post by wgt on Jun 28, 2017 11:11:36 GMT -5
123rob…..No one is telling people that Bona “…is not a good place to launch a medical career.” It surely is.
In high school Tareq had interest in being a PA as indicated by fjs64. However he was well aware of how that goal would be not be realized at Bona due to the scheduling demands of playing ball. He came to Bona fully understanding that.
Glad that you point out all the excellent medical programs that Bona has in cooperation with other schools and the new Allied Health. At College Fairs I see lots of interest in them by high school juniors. However logistically they do not lend themselves to a 4 year basketball player. Many factors can come into play when a player decides to transfer. Playing time is typically a key factor. Tareq played a total of 27 mins in just 5 games all season. He is not a PG and prospect of subbing for Matt this season would be extremely limited. I have little doubt, barring injury, Matt will play 38 mpg. Jay will also be around 38 mpg.
Woods did mention interest in a major Bona did not have. However, that would not have been the reason why he transferred. He is majoring in Visual Arts at Delaware and Bona has that major.
I have no doubt that Tareq is getting good advice on his college playing career. His decision will be well thought out. He has a wonderful family who were wearing their Bona gear at the Hofstra game.
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Post by derhut on Jun 28, 2017 11:55:09 GMT -5
18-21 year old guys...playing time, facilities, exposure, social life..
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