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Post by Chuck on May 31, 2009 15:06:24 GMT -5
On the Bevel they have a thread predicting the Bonnies starting lineup (link at bottom). Popular choice is Jonathan Hall starting at PF. I can see Hall playing at PF during out of conference games, but can't see a 6'5" PF for A-10 games. Bevel gave opening day starting lineup and probably more revealing starting lineup for start of A-10 games (you realize last year Carter and Benson were opening day starters).
Hopefully this thread has posters sharing information, especially eyewitness reports. From eyewitness reports I've heard: House looks like an A-10 player, with his shot blocking and ability to hit the mid range jumper. Simmons was described as being more physical than expected. Reported that Simmons would have trouble playing PF for a BCS school, but would be fine with the Bonnies. Ogo was described as extremely quick, who likes taking it to the basket.
Opening day starting lineup C - Nicholson PF - Hall SF - Lewis SG - Matthews PG - Ogo
Starting lineup for first conference game C - Nicholson PF - House/Simmons (too close to call, but leaning toward House) SF - Hall SG - Lewis/Matthews (too close to call, but leaning toward Lewis) PG - Ogo
Obviously it is too early to accurately predict the starting lineup and is only meant for speculation, such as at this time last year few would have predicted Andrew starting more games than Greese. Would like to see your predictions and any other eyewitness reports or news.
http://************/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=2536
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Post by GoPadres on May 31, 2009 19:41:39 GMT -5
C - Nicholson (Cook backup) PF - Simmons (House backup) SF - Hall (Leonard and Conger backup) SG - Matthews (Davenport and Leonard backup) PG - Eleby (Ogo backup)
I think either Hall or Leonard will start at small forward with the other being the first player off the bench. I think we will see a lot of players contributing this season. Cook's minutes will totally depend on how much Andrew struggles with foul problems.
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Post by house on Jun 1, 2009 5:33:35 GMT -5
My sleeper pick player is Michael Davenport...might not start but i am prediciting a big strep forward in what is going to be a really nice career...BREAKOUT SEASON IF YOU WILL...he's my sons favorite player, so im on his "bandwagon" also...and i cant wait to see simmons and leonard play in more than just a pick up game....wonder what we have there?
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Post by mangham on Jun 1, 2009 8:38:46 GMT -5
My sleeper pick player is Michael Davenport...might not start but i am prediciting a big strep forward in what is going to be a really nice career...BREAKOUT SEASON IF YOU WILL...he's my sons favorite player, so im on his "bandwagon" also...and i cant wait to see simmons and leonard play in more than just a pick up game....wonder what we have there? I agree on Davenport. I think he will get major minutes in a three guard offense, with Hall getting time at the 4.
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Post by LumsdnA10Academc98 on Jun 1, 2009 23:01:14 GMT -5
It seems as though everyone has forgotten about not only the closest thing we have to an incumbent starter at the four, but the only player we have who physically resembles an A-10 power forward, Da'Quan Cook. In Schmidt's doghouse for most of his freshman year for playing soft and not grasping the offense, it was he who Schmidt summoned to start last season when Maurice Thomas acted up on three occasions.
In the five games in which Cook played 15 or more minutes, he averaged 4.4 points, 3.6 boards, an assist and 0.6 blocks over 18 minutes, at least mildly encouraging numbers for a seldom-used frosh. Basically, plug him in for 20 minutes, and if he's improved at all, he's good for the 5.2 points and 4.8 boards D'Lancy Carter averaged the last two seasons, except with a lot more upside. That's not so bad, is it?
I will say I'd be surprised if either Houseknecht or Simmons started from the outset, or even started much at all, especially after a year off. Though both figure to contribute, I think we'd be best served -- if Cook gets the wake-up call and responds to his second chance, gift wrapped by Thomas' untimely departure -- with either a lineup featuring Cook at the four or Hall at the four and Leonard at the three. Either lineup would allow to us to ease the freshman along, while the latter would cater to Schmidt's run-and-gun style.
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Post by Copenhagen on Jun 2, 2009 2:23:08 GMT -5
It seems as though everyone has forgotten about not only the closest thing we have to an incumbent starter at the four, but the only player we have who physically resembles an A-10 power forward, Da'Quan Cook. In Schmidt's doghouse for most of his freshman year for playing soft and not grasping the offense, it was he who Schmidt summoned to start last season when Maurice Thomas acted up on three occasions. In the five games in which Cook played 15 or more minutes, he averaged 4.4 points, 3.6 boards, an assist and 0.6 blocks over 18 minutes, at least mildly encouraging numbers for a seldom-used frosh. Basically, plug him in for 20 minutes, and if he's improved at all, he's good for the 5.2 points and 4.8 boards D'Lancy Carter averaged the last two seasons, except with a lot more upside. That's not so bad, is it? I will say I'd be surprised if either Houseknecht or Simmons started from the outset, or even started much at all, especially after a year off. Though both figure to contribute, I think we'd be best served -- if Cook gets the wake-up call and responds to his second chance, gift wrapped by Thomas' untimely departure -- with either a lineup featuring Cook at the four or Hall at the four and Leonard at the three. Either lineup would allow to us to ease the freshman along, while the latter would cater to Schmidt's run-and-gun style. Well said and outlined the most probable scenarios ...... also remember that Matthews and DCook also sat out a year with Cook not even being allowed to practice with the team. Sitting out a year seems to really take a toll on consistent production. This is a great opportunity for DCook with him having the potential of a big upside.
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Post by Chuck on Jun 2, 2009 6:30:46 GMT -5
What is more troubling than Cook's scoring is his rebounding. In games with PT of 15 minutes or more, Cook is being out rebounded by Davenport. In 5 games (15 minutes or more PT) Cook has 16 rebounds. Davenport in 9 games has 37 rebounds. If Cook is going to help this team it is going to be in rebounding. It is troubling when you have a SG with more rebounds per game than your PF. Cook is a much needed athletic big man. Hopefully he plays better this season. sports.espn.go.com/ncb/teams/stats?teamId=179
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Post by wgt on Jun 2, 2009 12:55:33 GMT -5
Good comparison Chuck. Michael is incredibly effective on the offensive glass. Those of at Rose Hill last season saw him gather in three huge offensive rebounds off of our missed free throws. It saved a potential loss from what looked like a cake walk untill the Rams began pressing us. Mark asked the large post game Bona crowd, "Does anyone here know how to break a press?" Mikes rebounds at the end saved the day. Hopefully the addition of Ogo will eliminate that kind of post game question by coach.
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Post by jmp on Jun 2, 2009 17:19:55 GMT -5
Being able to pick a starting five is really tough at this point. One thing that is for sure and I dont want to burst the DCook bubble but plain and simple he is not good enough to play any significant minutes. His athletic ability is limited and he cannot finish above the rim. Great kid, but not an A10 caliber player. Hopefully Simmons can stay healthy he will be a nice addition this year.
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Post by LumsdnA10Academc98 on Jun 2, 2009 19:48:08 GMT -5
What is more troubling than Cook's scoring is his rebounding. In games with PT of 15 minutes or more, Cook is being out rebounded by Davenport. In 5 games (15 minutes or more PT) Cook has 16 rebounds. Davenport in 9 games has 37 rebounds. If Cook is going to help this team it is going to be in rebounding. It is troubling when you have a SG with more rebounds per game than your PF. Cook averaged 3.6 boards per game when given 15 or more minutes. Davenport averaged 4.1. Cook never played more than 20, while Davenport played games of 28, 24 & 22 minutes. Not only was Cook not outrebounded considerably by Mike, but Davenport was also given steady minutes all season long, largely due to his knack at corralling the boards. I wouldn't call it too "troubling" if a guard who's a steady contributor grabs narrowly more boards than a big who had his minutes yanked around all year. Davenport is an outstanding rebounder for a guard. That, in addition to defense, is his fortay. Nobody said Cook will bring back shades of Harry Moore. He's just someone to keep an eye on.
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Post by adolphlottin on Jun 2, 2009 20:17:50 GMT -5
Sorry, at this point I have a tough time penciling in either Simmons or Houseknecht as starters.
I don't believe Simmons even practiced with the team last year and Houseknecht I have got to believe will have to develop some to become a solid A-10 player.
Plus, let's remember that neither has played a second of Division I basketball. How can we assume Simmons will be any better than Cook? Press clippings? How he plays in pick-up games? I think we all need a little more evidence to pencil either of these guys in anywhere.
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Post by Chuck on Jun 3, 2009 21:53:55 GMT -5
Sorry, at this point I have a tough time penciling in either Simmons or Houseknecht as starters. I don't believe Simmons even practiced with the team last year and Houseknecht I have got to believe will have to develop some to become a solid A-10 player. Plus, let's remember that neither has played a second of Division I basketball. How can we assume Simmons will be any better than Cook? Press clippings? How he plays in pick-up games? I think we all need a little more evidence to pencil either of these guys in anywhere. Absolutely agree with the above, especially "how can we assume Simmons will be better than Cook?" On the other hand, I've been hearing some positive eyewitness reports on Simmons and House. Need to wait and see them in games to see if these eyewitness reports are accurate, but it sounds encouraging.
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Post by bigdobber on Jun 4, 2009 10:26:02 GMT -5
It seems to me that most of the posters never project a player getting better as he moves from year to year on this board. The number of people who have already determined that Cook is a bench player at best surprises me. I could see if he had 3 years in and had definitely hit the ceiling on his ability, but I look at some of our first year players as guys who can make some significant strides over the next few years. Schmidt will develop his players and you will see improvement across the board. I think Cook's size alone makes him have an upside.
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Post by mangham on Jun 4, 2009 10:36:58 GMT -5
It seems to me that most of the posters never project a player getting better as he moves from year to year on this board. The number of people who have already determined that Cook is a bench player at best surprises me. I could see if he had 3 years in and had definitely hit the ceiling on his ability, but I look at some of our first year players as guys who can make some significant strides over the next few years. Schmidt will develop his players and you will see improvement across the board. I think Cook's size alone makes him have an upside. That's why I'm high on Davenport. He didn't play like a freshman last year and I think his upside is all A-10 caliber. Time will tell but I liked what I saw last year.
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Post by MFS on Jun 4, 2009 19:53:26 GMT -5
No knock on D. Cook, who could develop just fine, but what about this lineup?
Eleby/Ogo Matthews Davenport Hall Nicholson
Obviously there will be games where it presents huge size problems, but what teams are athletic enough to stay with those five guys defensively? Davenport rebounds as well as most forwards anyways. Either way, I'd love to see him get major minutes this year.
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