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Post by elitetaylor33 on Mar 7, 2016 20:43:00 GMT -5
gdub2009, Are you sure St. Joes has a better resume? "Blind Resumes #1 (These two teams are from the same conference) Team A: 24-7 (13-5), RPI 32, SOS 88, Top 50 (2-4), Top 100 (5-6) Team B: 22-7 (14-4), RPI 28, SOS 89, Top 50 (3-2), Top 100 (6-5), Beat Team A twice" Source: nhbrackets.wordpress.com/2016/03/06/bracket-projection-march-6/ If you want to go by RPI, yes the Bonnies have a better resume. The committee doesn't just take into account RPI though. KPI and Kenpom are also largely used. And in those two metrics Bonaventure is behind St.Joe's. Right now in the KPI, the reason we are behind St.Joe's is because we lost to La Salle. We have better wins than St.Joe's, but St. Joe's is more consistent, had better non-conference wins, and has a better road record than us. KPI literally takes each game and gives a score from .01 to 1 for a win and 0 to -1 for a loss. St.Joe's is .12 ahead of us. If we would have beaten La Salle we would be ahead of them. We are talking a seed line here so we could be anywhere from 1 spot to 5 spots behind them. So whatever if you want to rail me saying we are smidge behind St.Joe's then so be it. I am still confused why we are harping so much on St.Joe's we want them in the NCAA Tourney with us. Starting questioning why Florida, Michigan, Gonzaga, LSU, and Ohio St. are still hovering on the bubble with Lunardi. Those are the teams that don't deserve to be in the NCAA Tourney. St.Joe's and St.Bonaventure DO deserve to be in the NCAA Tourney based on their resume. It's not St. Joe's that everyone is upset with, it's the fact that they "represent" Lunardi, and vice versa.. And I agree with a lot of what you said, but if being consistent is losing your last two games of the yr, St. Joe's is def it. I think winning 10 of our last 11, in the fashion that we did, is the hallmark of consistency!.. But so everyone knows, I want St. Joe's in as well, I want the A10 represented well! |
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Post by birdman on Mar 7, 2016 21:46:03 GMT -5
Green Bay beat Valpo tonight......another spot opens up........Hofstra and Monmouth both lost.
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Post by birdman on Mar 7, 2016 22:46:28 GMT -5
Now it's about seeding.
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Post by birdman on Mar 7, 2016 23:53:41 GMT -5
It will get special in Brooklyn.
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Post by class70 on Mar 8, 2016 7:55:03 GMT -5
Shelby's Bracket Wag, which is what's used by USA Today and the Gannett newspapers, is a good example of the effects of last night's bid stealing. He has Wichita State and Monmouth in his "first four" with Connecticut and Tulsa. VCU and Syracuse are the first two out. Not sure I believe their resumes will put Wichita State and Monmouth over these two, but the Orange and Rams still have the chance to play themselves back in. VCU will be playing for all they're worth in Brooklyn to get a bid. Bona and SJU remain comfortably in as 10-seeds while Dayton is still up there as an 8-seed.
Valpo is out. Gonzaga could steal another bid if they beat St. Mary's, which Shelby currently has pegged as a 10-seed.
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Post by JC on Mar 8, 2016 8:10:51 GMT -5
I agree that we should want St. Mary's to win. Lunardi has been keeping Gonzaga around but they have no resume whatsoever. Valpo should be tossed to the NIT as well. I don't want to tar and feather Mr. Lunardi, but I just wish he, and a few others, were answerable to simple facts. If he has inside info that Ken Pom is going to be the huge this year, then he should say so. Otherwise, his selections make no sense.
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Post by bona98 on Mar 8, 2016 8:47:51 GMT -5
I wish I had a fast forward button for this week to 9 p.m. on Friday.
I think we should be in regardless of whether or not we win on Friday. However, one thing that struck me with terror in the middle of the night after watching all of the conference championships upsets was what the committee would do if a Rhode Island or Fordam or something other team in the A-10 other than the Bonnies, VCU, Dayton, or St. Joes won the A-10 tourney. I don't see the committee giving the A-10 5 teams. All the more reason to win the thing or at least get to the semi-finals in Brooklyn.
Should be interesting to see how much Lunardi drops us down today.
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Post by class70 on Mar 8, 2016 8:48:19 GMT -5
Yes, JC, it will be interesting to see if Kenpom and Sagarin are big counterweights to what is forecast by KPI, Dancecard, and RPI. I believe Kenpom is very useful in the first half of the season but is now missing something. Good teams are the ones that win and they don't necessarily have to blow out the competition in doing it. The reason the Bonnies have won so many close games can be found in good guards who don't choke in the clutch.
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Post by mcspin on Mar 8, 2016 8:52:55 GMT -5
I wish I had a fast forward button for this week to 9 p.m. on Friday. I think we should be in regardless of whether or not we win on Friday. However, one thing that struck me with terror in the middle of the night after watching all of the conference championships upsets was what the committee would do if a Rhode Island or Fordam or something other team in the A-10 other than the Bonnies, VCU, Dayton, or St. Joes won the A-10 tourney. I don't see the committee giving the A-10 5 teams. All the more reason to win the thing or at least get to the semi-finals in Brooklyn. Should be interesting to see how much Lunardi drops us down today. If that occurs, all it does it bump the last one in. If it happens to be an A-10 team, then it won't work in the A-10 favor. If it's someone else, it would have no real effect. Since VCU seems to be the bubble team right now, they might get bumped regardless if they don't win the conf. tourney. |
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Post by JC on Mar 8, 2016 9:08:25 GMT -5
I spent some time on the CBS bracketology "Team Comparison" tool. It seems very few teams have 2 top 50 true road wins. Bonnies, Dayton, Butler, Providence, Hofstra, and Kansas are all I found so far. Monmouth has 2 top 50 neutral site wins.
I wonder if there is a way to compute that without going through every d1 team. (I'm already headed for getting fired and flunking out of grad school in the next week if this keeps up). I bet there are less than 20 in the nation. Might make a good fact for BonniesMBB to tweet out there, if we could know the number.
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Post by sbu79 on Mar 8, 2016 9:24:32 GMT -5
Greg Shaheen (@gashaheen) has a nice overview of what the committee will consider as it looks at the resumes of Valpo, Hofstra, Monmouth and Wichita St on his Twitter timeline from last night. Take a look if you are on Twitter. He doesn't draw a conclusion. He just lays out factors that will and will not (bench choreography) be considered.
One thing he mentions is that every school can report to the committee about injuries during the season, and that make me think of Jordan Tyson. The Bonnies have early season losses from the time Jordan was still injured. He then came on to play significant minutes during conference play. Hopefully this is a factor that counts for something if it is needed it the discussions.
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Post by JC on Mar 8, 2016 9:36:32 GMT -5
Can you report players who played through injuries? This team has looked much better the past few games with an apparently healthy Marcus Posley. I don't think we lost any games because of his injury (he played pretty well against La Salle). We just didn't look all that sharp.
I like this Shaheen fella. He at least wants to begin with the facts instead of unexamined assumptions like the rest of the bracket commentators. If you look at the facts, Hofstra might be the best looking of that mid major bubble group. It could be debated, but the comments by Lunardi, Bilas, Rothstein, Davis, etc. don't even consider Hofstra in the conversation. Just using Hofstra as an example. Not saying they should be in, or that they have better resume than Bona.
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Post by tastylicks on Mar 8, 2016 9:42:21 GMT -5
Greg Shaheen (@gashaheen) has a nice overview of what the committee will consider as it looks at the resumes of Valpo, Hofstra, Monmouth and Wichita St on his Twitter timeline from last night. Take a look if you are on Twitter. He doesn't draw a conclusion. He just lays out factors that will and will not (bench choreography) be considered. One thing he mentions is that every school can report to the committee about injuries during the season, and that make me think of Jordan Tyson. The Bonnies have early season losses from the time Jordan was still injured. He then came on to play significant minutes during conference play. Hopefully this is a factor that counts for something if it is needed it the discussions. Wow if they really take injuries into consideration I too hope they are aware of Jordan Tyson. I believe having his defense would've been huge in certain games. Hofstra drove the lane at will down the stretch at the RC to pull out that close game. Having a 6'10 presence like Tyson to meet them in the lane I think would've swayed that game in our favor. Idk how much I agree with the idea of taking injuries into consideration. I think they should probably look at your resume without excuse but I am just saying if they do take it into consideration - - we have something to say about that too. also- injury consideration would help out Wichita St's case too, fair or not |
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Post by Hermit on Mar 8, 2016 10:08:48 GMT -5
if Yogi was still around, I believe he would say " We' ll be in, when we're in".
And how could you not believe anything Yogi would say?
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Post by thebonafan08 on Mar 8, 2016 10:24:06 GMT -5
I wish I had a fast forward button for this week to 9 p.m. on Friday. I think we should be in regardless of whether or not we win on Friday. However, one thing that struck me with terror in the middle of the night after watching all of the conference championships upsets was what the committee would do if a Rhode Island or Fordam or something other team in the A-10 other than the Bonnies, VCU, Dayton, or St. Joes won the A-10 tourney. I don't see the committee giving the A-10 5 teams. All the more reason to win the thing or at least get to the semi-finals in Brooklyn. Should be interesting to see how much Lunardi drops us down today. My in the middle of the night terror is Duquesne or La Salle beating Davidson and the Bonnies unfathomably losing to them. While unlikely A loss to Duquesne or La Salle and VCU run in the tourney will put a huge dent in Bona's chances. This among other reasons is why I want Davidson. Win or lose I want it against Davidson, not Duquesne or La Salle. |
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