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Post by res on Mar 10, 2016 11:11:24 GMT -5
If you don't think there's a human element and enormous politicking going on, you're not paying attention. They had the head of the committee Joe Castiglione on the air while Lunardi is asking questions and talking about St Joes. You don't think the committee members aren't watching ESPN while they're stuck in their hotel rooms. As for Kiper I actually think NFL GM's do pay attention to him. He's forgotten more about the draft than most of these GM's know. I concede your first point, even though I never stated or hinted that their isn't enormous politicking going on. That doesn't mean Lunardi has much if any influence in the room. As to your 2nd point, I'm willing to concede that perhaps Oakland, Detroit and Jacksonville might use Mel as an advisor, but I base this strictly on performance.
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Post by orangehater on Mar 10, 2016 11:37:16 GMT -5
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Post by bona98 on Mar 10, 2016 11:59:11 GMT -5
After we take care of business on Friday night and St. Joes loses to GW or St. Louis, it will be interesting to see how Lunardi justifies keeping St. Joes ahead of the Bonnies. You know he will.
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Post by Chuck on Mar 10, 2016 12:00:56 GMT -5
Anyone seriously think that any NFL GM's decisions are affected by Mel Kiper's board? I don't think they would admit it (because of Kiper's personality), but I think NFL GM's read Mel Kpier's draft guides. Before the internet I used to subscribe to Our Lads and I would see their guide on NFL desks during the draft. History has shown Our Lads is not nearly as accurate as Kiper. I attached an interesting link about one of the first draftniks Joel Buchsbaum, who had NFL offers. Article quotes Belichick "I tried to hire him as a scout with the [Cleveland] Browns every year. But he always said he'd rather work for all 32 teams." archive.apsportseditors.org/contest/2003/writing/over250/over250.features.second.html
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Post by JC on Mar 10, 2016 12:15:28 GMT -5
ESPN keeps trotting out the BPI every day as if it has some official relevance to the selection process. I'm sure committee members are aware of it, but as far as I know the RPI is still much more significant. Does anybody in the media ever call out ESPN on this? Plenty of CBB analysts do not work for the Mother-Ship.
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Post by agoo on Mar 10, 2016 13:12:06 GMT -5
I don't think they get anything for calling out ESPN for shoving the BPI down our throats. Same for their QBR rating. If they have the jobs with more money and more exposure, what's in it for some guy with a great blog to say its crap?
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Post by class70 on Mar 10, 2016 13:38:04 GMT -5
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Post by JC on Mar 10, 2016 13:39:42 GMT -5
"As to your 2nd point, I'm willing to concede that perhaps Oakland, Detroit and Jacksonville might use Mel as an advisor, but I base this strictly on performance."
At the risk of being yelled at for being way off topic, I must point out that whether the Raiders are listening to Mel Kiper or someone else, they have definitely figured out the drafting game: Mack, Cooper, and Carr are serious bulls-eye hits. As a Bills fan, I would trade places in a heartbeat.
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Post by Chuck on Mar 10, 2016 13:43:47 GMT -5
ESPN keeps trotting out the BPI every day as if it has some official relevance to the selection process. I'm sure committee members are aware of it, but as far as I know the RPI is still much more significant. In regards to the A-10 the RPI is a lot more accurate than ESPN's BPI. Following is the actual standings of the top 6 in A-10 and ratings from RPI and BPI. Used top 6 as this is where Bonas is listed with BPI and any team lower would not be in at large consideration. Actual standings...RPI rating......BPI rating 1 - Dayton.........Dayton.....20....VCU......28 1 - Bonas..........Bonas.......27....Dayton..43 1 - VCU.............St. Joes....29....St. Joes.49 4 - St. Joes........VCU.........40....GW.......59 5 - GW..............Davidson...61....URI......68 6 - Davidson......GW..........62....Bonas....72 . All that needs to be pointed out is Bonnies record against the 5 teams rated higher than the Bonnies, according to BPI. Against these teams Bonas record is 5-2. I think clearly the RPI is more representative of A-10's actual standings and actual strength of teams. I'm hopeful the selection committee does not even look at ESPN's BPI. warrennolan.com/basketball/2016/conference/Atlantic-10espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bpi/_/type/tournament
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Post by res on Mar 10, 2016 14:04:02 GMT -5
At the risk of being yelled at for being way off topic, I must point out that whether the Raiders are listening to Mel Kiper or someone else, they have definitely figured out the drafting game: Mack, Cooper, and Carr are serious bulls-eye hits. Yeah, I realized that as soon as I posted. I was thinking back to the previous decade, but you're absolutely right that they've been on fire recently.
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Post by Jive36 on Mar 10, 2016 14:27:34 GMT -5
I'm hopeful the selection committee does not even look at ESPN's BPI. Each committee member can bring any information they want with them but BPI is not listed anywhere on the official sheets. I believe the top section of the warren nolan team page is all that is provided to the committee however an individual member can look at kenpom, BPI etc. and use it as a basis when voting.
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Post by bona98 on Mar 10, 2016 19:13:41 GMT -5
Latest Lunardi had us playing Notre Dame in St. Louis. Wouldn't that be something!
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Post by elitetaylor33 on Mar 10, 2016 19:36:01 GMT -5
Latest Lunardi had us playing Notre Dame in St. Louis. Wouldn't that be something! ND is so good in the Postseason, but i would take anything that doesn't have us playing an extra game via a "play-in game".. Also saw St. Joe's staying relatively home in Brooklyn, as 9 Seed going against Wichita St.. While Dayton draws a 7th Seed, and VCU a 9th Seed.. Like i said, I'm not trying to see these "projections" by Lunardi, but I've been watching as many games as i can, and he's freaking everywhere!
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Post by ohs73 on Mar 10, 2016 19:39:34 GMT -5
Latest Lunardi had us playing Notre Dame in St. Louis. Wouldn't that be something! I wouldn't mind. REVENGE ON SOL!!!
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Post by JC on Mar 10, 2016 21:05:46 GMT -5
The vast majority of these cbb tv commentators just repeat the same ideas over and over. It was refreshing to hear Seth Greenberg today challenge the common opinion about strength of schedule. He said he gets tired of hearing about a team's non conference schedule when their overall schedule is what should matter. St. Bona and St. Joes are very close in overall sos.
It only gets worse once they bring in Greg Anthony and Charles Barkley, who know as much about college basketball as I do about the history of Peru.
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