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Post by bonnieball on May 19, 2006 9:07:19 GMT -5
1. Prior to the scandal, we were competitive in the A10 on a regular basis. We can be again if the administration is committed.
2. I know basketball is the revenue sport, but other SBU teams have enjoyed A10 success on a regular basis. Do you think Larry Sudbrook hangs around for 2 seconds after we join a glorified high school league?
3. If you want to end the University's commitment to athletics, and then drop down to Div III, it's cheaper and easily as important nationally as the MAAC.
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Post by kcSBU03 on May 19, 2006 9:09:30 GMT -5
I hate to break it to some of you but basketball isn't the only sport at Bona's. Swimming, Soccer, Softball, Lax and Baseball and even Golf have had much success recently. We are'nt a top bball school right now but to say we suck in the A 10 is completely inaccurate unless you want to isolate the basketball team. We had a good run for 5-6 yrs until 2003 so im optimistic enough to think that can eventually be replicated.
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Post by bonnieball on May 19, 2006 9:11:15 GMT -5
I hate to break it to some of you but basketball isn't the only sport at Bona's. Swimming, Soccer, Softball, Lax and Baseball and even Golf have had much success recently. We are'nt a top bball school right now but to say we suck in the A 10 is completely inaccurate unless you want to isolate the basketball team. We had a good run for 5-6 yrs until 2003 so im optimistic enough to think that can eventually be replicated. Exactly.
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Post by DemBonnies on May 19, 2006 9:32:24 GMT -5
I hate to break it to some of you but basketball isn't the only sport at Bona's. Swimming, Soccer, Softball, Lax and Baseball and even Golf have had much success recently. We are'nt a top bball school right now but to say we suck in the A 10 is completely inaccurate unless you want to isolate the basketball team. We had a good run for 5-6 yrs until 2003 so im optimistic enough to think that can eventually be replicated. My bad...I never meant to infer or demean the competitve spirit and championships that other sports have acheived...I do want to iso on the hoop team since that is what we primarily discuss in this venue. For Bonnieball to say we're competitive up until the scandal...pls define competitive...is it losing by 10 pts instead of 25 pts to the upper tier A-10 teams...let's count the number of first round exits from the A-10 basketball tournament..in 26 years in the A-10 Tournament only Fordham has a worse record than us....pretty lofty stuff...let's count the first round exits from the NIT and let's count the number of first round exits from the NCAA's in the past 37 years. I don't think we do much better in the MAAC than we do here only it would cost us less money to be in the middle of the pack there than it does for us to be in the bottom of the pack of the A-10. It's the arrogance that We Are The Atlantic-10 which makes this so humorous. We are a footnote in college basketball...people we are recruiting moms and dads probably vaguely recall us being in the NCAA's in 1970.
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Post by bonnieball on May 19, 2006 9:42:31 GMT -5
For Bonnieball to say we're competitive up until the scandal...pls define competitive... I define it a 4 post season appearances is 5 seasons. Please tell me that the Fordhams, Duquesne's & LaSalle's can say that. Heck, the GW's and URI's can't claim that.
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Post by DemBonnies on May 19, 2006 10:01:01 GMT -5
I define it a 4 post season appearances is 5 seasons. Get Serious...that's the "old" St. Bonaventure............we're as far removed from those Baron/JVBK NCAA and NIT years as we are from Whitey Martin. Our record in the A-10 Tournament is something you choose to ignore, for whatever reason...but it is abysmal...there's your true litmus test to how our basketball team stacks up in the A-10. Plus we have had the "luxury" of not being involved in the tournament for the past four seasons which would have only added to our pathetic opening round departures. Truth is I don't care which league SBU plays in...it's still my alma mater....for you the A-10 means everything but getting our clocks cleaned and drilled out of the A-10 tourney on opening day (and perhaps not making it all) has no obvious significance to you. So I guess this argument goes nowhere....sorta like our hoop team.
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Post by bonnieball on May 19, 2006 10:24:48 GMT -5
I define it a 4 post season appearances is 5 seasons. Get Serious...that's the "old" St. Bonaventure............we're as far removed from those Baron/JVBK NCAA and NIT years as we are from Whitey Martin. Fascinating debate technique. I say we were competative before the scandal. You say were were not. I point out 4 post-season appearances in 5 years. You counter with "that was before the scandal". My point is and is was we can get there again with a committment from the University, or we can give up and play Div III. Going to the MAAC would be a waste of resources.
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Post by DemBonnies on May 19, 2006 11:04:25 GMT -5
Fascinating debate technique. I say we were competative before the scandal. You say were were not. I point out 4 post-season appearances in 5 years. You counter with "that was before the scandal". Gotta be something wrong with my eyesight..where did I mention scandal in any of these post and you even put in quote marks like I did. It was you that mentioned we were competitive up until the scandal. Pls show me over the past 26 years in A-10 tournament play where there was trend where we struck terror in the opposing team when they saw the draw. I don't care if it was a Baron team or a DeCarli team...until 2000 we were typically one and done. Be honest...do you think we could've received 2 automatic bids from the MAAC in the past 26 years...the arrogance is amazing...we are not and haven't been in the basketball elite and to think that hanging like a flea onto the tail of the Atlantic-10 ensures our future success is pretty silly.
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Post by brooklynbonnie on May 19, 2006 11:06:54 GMT -5
The MAAC talk has got to stop. When I was at SBU it was Decarli's first year. During my tenure we went 5-23, 11-15, 11-15 and 5-23 (or something like that). Prior to the Terril scandal it is safe to say those were the "dog days" for the program. That did not stop us from attending every game during those years. Even when we were out of Bonnies my friends and I would have to go to these run down bars in NYC because the "upscale" sports bars would not play the Bonnie game. It all camee down to who we were playing. I am sure it would be a different feeling if we were playing Iona instead of Temple.
Back then there was huge talk and speculation that we should/would move to the MAAC. I am glad cooler heads prevailed. Going to the MAAC would be a slow and painful death sentence for us. If you think the RC has been dead lately could you imagine what the place would look like when the powerful Peacocks from St. Peters comes to town? Talk about a barn burner, huh?
I have friends who went to Iona, Manhattan and Marist just to name a few. They could care less about their hoop program and that is what is in store for us at the MAAC.
"hey guys let's go and see a game at the RC. Rider is in town"
NOT!
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Post by bonnieball on May 19, 2006 11:13:56 GMT -5
Fascinating debate technique. I say we were competative before the scandal. You say were were not. I point out 4 post-season appearances in 5 years. You counter with "that was before the scandal". Gotta be something wrong with my eyesight..where did I mention scandal in any of these post and you even put in quote marks like I did. It was you that mentioned we were competitive up until the scandal. Pls show me over the past 26 years in A-10 tournament play where there was trend where we struck terror in the opposing team when they saw the draw. I don't care if it was a Baron team or a DeCarli team...until 2000 we were typically one and done. Be honest...do you think we could've received 2 automatic bids from the MAAC in the past 26 years...the arrogance is amazing...we are not and haven't been in the basketball elite and to think that hanging like a flea onto the tail of the Atlantic-10 ensures our future success is pretty silly. Must be something seriously wrong with your logic though. It seems to me that 4 post seasons in 5 years is being competative. How many A10 teams can say the same? I stand by my claim that they were competative before the scandal on that stat alone, and that (I'll type slowly so you can understand) A COMMITTMENT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION WILL GET US THERE AGAIN!
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Post by bonnieball on May 19, 2006 11:14:56 GMT -5
The MAAC talk has got to stop. Yes it does.
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Post by oleander on May 19, 2006 11:17:29 GMT -5
We suck in the A-10 and no one gives a d**n about us in the league, we're a laughingstock in the nation too. Actually, we are quite competitive in the A-10. Mens and Womens Swimming, lacrosse, softball and soon baseball, all were in the top 5 in the conference. Mens Tennis, Golf and Soccer were middle of the pack, but very competitive. Just Basketball, Womens Soccer, Womens Tennis and Cross country were at the bottom of the A10. 8 out of 5 teams is not bad at all. And tell me were it says Bona "Basketball" Bandwagon? Yes, I mainly follow Basketball, but they will have there ups and downs. Yes they are usually downs but on those seasons that they are on the up, its a real treat. We have never been a top A-10 team in Basketball, so why quit now? why didn't we get out in the late 80's when we were clearly over our heads, going 27-109 in the conference from 86' to 94'? What is so different now that we feel the need to leave a conference that we had 8 teams in that were in the top 6? Basket ball will have its good and bad times, I'm not worried, I'm just waiting for another of those good streaks. PS. Admin. Standards go up as enrollment does and vice versa
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Post by DemBonnies on May 19, 2006 11:21:15 GMT -5
I have friends who went to Iona, Manhattan and Marist just to name a few. They could care less about their hoop program and that is what is in store for us at the MAAC.! Suffice to say that their attitude would've been the same if they were at St.Bonaventure now or in the DeCarli years?Amen to that brother I'd much rather watch Temple or St.Joe's throw an 18 or 25 spot up on us than play with a team that's more of our caliber Double NOT!!
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Post by DemBonnies on May 19, 2006 11:37:46 GMT -5
Must be something seriously wrong with your logic though. It seems to me that 4 post seasons in 5 years is being competative. Bonnieball...lets agree that there is a huge chasm between that spot and this spot and the key fact that you continue to avoid is our one and done in the A-10 and that spans the entire time in the league. I think it is something crazy like 12 wins in 26 years. Well six of them happened in our run towards the finals in '84 and '00. Take away the last 4 times where we were spectators and that's 6 first round wins in 20 years....awesome. Temple, UMass, Xavier, Charlotte, Richmond, St Joes, Dayton You got me there too!!
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Post by DemBonnies on May 19, 2006 11:43:26 GMT -5
The MAAC talk has got to stop. Yes it does. You're right I aquiece...I've spoken with some MAAC friends and they don't want us either. The teams I saw in the Div II Final Four would've pasted us too so I guess Bonnieball is right Div III here we come.
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