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Post by wgt on May 21, 2006 21:12:00 GMT -5
Totally agree that "at the college level, certain standards should be set..." The LD student must meet them or fail as did the student you cite.
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Post by Jimmy Chitwood on May 21, 2006 21:21:41 GMT -5
Hey SBU 2005 given your "opinion", Albert Einstein would have never had a chance. Open your eyes dude. You can't simply generalize and cast off people due to a disability. For every special needs student that doesn't make it, there are many more who do and become quite successful. You come off like a misguided, elitist snob. Grow up and open your mind instead of setting sweeping limits on people. Special education does not exist in college. However, reasonable accommodations do exist as mandated by law. Wow.  |
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Post by sbuSTUDent2005 on May 21, 2006 23:22:02 GMT -5
Hey SBU 2005 given your "opinion", Albert Einstein would have never had a chance. Open your eyes dude. You can't simply generalize and cast off people due to a disability. For every special needs student that doesn't make it, there are many more who do and become quite successful. You come off like a misguided, elitist snob. Grow up and open your mind instead of setting sweeping limits on people. Special education does not exist in college. However, reasonable accommodations do exist as mandated by law. Wow. Horrible argument at best, my friend. If you read my posts clearly you would know that I'm not bashing special education I'm saying it shouldn't have a place in a college setting where the curriculum and standards are at a higher level. Going back to my original post, the person I originally spoke of was just not an intelligent person and didn't belong in college. Where you're going with the Einstein comment, I'm not sure. Learning disabilities did not exist at his time and because of that I'm sure he didn't get any special help. I'm not generalizing or casting people off. If you knew a thing about me or what I do you'd know that my opinions are surely not "elitist" so you can keep your suggestions to yourself. |
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Post by Jimmy Chitwood on May 22, 2006 7:22:39 GMT -5
If you read my post. It states that Special Education does not exist in college. Accomodations do exist. Try some basic reading comprehension. As for Einsetin, try a little research on his life and you will understand my reference. Learning Disabilities did not exist when Einstein was around? Are you serious? Do you think that disabilities came about through spontaneous generaton? BTW, I wrote that you "come off" like an elitist snob. If you can post "opinions", so can I. The more you write, the more your ignorance shines. I'm out on this silly debate.
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Post by Phantom on May 22, 2006 8:07:33 GMT -5
If you don't understand learning disabilities, it would be easy to draw the same uninformed conclusion.
I have had some remarkably bright students who went on to successful college careers, that had LD classifications. Often times the hardest working students!
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Post by sbuSTUDent2005 on May 22, 2006 8:23:37 GMT -5
I believe you're completely missing the point and are just here to ruffle some feathers. My OPINION is that these accomodations shouldn't exist at the college level. I don't know if I can dumb that down for you any more than I have. You still haven't explained that Einstein remark. If you knew something about the matter, you'd know that learning disabilities didn't even begin to be classified until the 1960's, thus meaning they (as a diagnosable disorder) were non-existant before then. Doesn't mean people didn't have problems, it means the category was non-existant and therefore, as I stated, Einstein never received extra help due to some problem (by the way, I'm aware of problems he MAY have had). So where were you going with that one?
My point is that there has to come a point in our education system where accomodations for learning disabilities, which are overdiagnosed as they are, are lessened or removed completely. That stuff is perfectly fine up until grade 12, but in college it isn't fair to others. If someone wants to pay extra out of their pocket for tutors, thats fine. But giving people extra time on every paper, project, and test they take is not fair to the rest of the students. On top of that these students given this extra help will find it difficult to learn to meet deadlines when they enter the work world. I don't believe this is fair to anyone. I'm not sure about this but are these accomodations given in doctorate level programs? Would this same student I mentioned before be given twice the amount of time on tests and projects?
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Post by Phantom on May 22, 2006 8:50:53 GMT -5
There are only so many jobs for fry station attendants and Wal*Mart greeters!
By today's standards Einstein could of been diagnosed LD, thus banishing him to the french fry stations.
Accomodations can provide a "level playing field" for those who are quite capable of doing the work, but due to circumstances beyond their control, need to work harder and yes with some help!
I do agree it is sometimes abused.
OK, I am done with my rant on this subject!
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Post by hollywoodkek on May 22, 2006 8:55:34 GMT -5
though i understand that special ed is extremely necessary in the appropriate cases but I can understand where SbuSTUD is coming from.....as a current student and as someone who went through the NYS public school system- its frustrating to be working extra hard in AP/advanced classes, dealing with time constraints, no exta help, but then someone else in the same class is having double time, people to help with projects and papers- and im in my high schools case, help them complete tests.
I understand that its completely necessary for it at a certain point, but I have to wonder- when is it too much? someone who is getting help in college....are they going to have their hand held in the real world??
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Post by jh on May 22, 2006 9:14:42 GMT -5
SBU student..you are at a Franciscan Unuiversity...do you fully understand what that means...the life of St Francis...compassion...those are lifelong lessons too...and in many ways far more imprtant than the grade on your physics exam.
Your posts remind me of something the school always should have forced - that 1 of the 3 required theology courses be about the life and teachings of St Francis and St Bonaventure.
Anyone reading this can comprehend where your argument comes from....its a bit hard to believe that it would be the fanciscan way....
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Post by captainron on May 24, 2006 11:53:50 GMT -5
Dropping out of the A-10 would be disasterous for the Olean-Allegany area. You know how much revenue the school--and, as a result, the surrounding community--would lose if this were to happen? Like it or not, St. Bonaventure has a responsibility unlike most schools in the fact that they practically sustain the area. I'd rather see us lose in the A-10 division than to be champions in a lesser division that isn't bringing in the bucks.
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Post by DemBonnies on May 24, 2006 12:34:11 GMT -5
Dropping out of the A-10 would be disastrous for the Olean-Allegany area. You know how much revenue the school--and, as a result, the surrounding community--would lose if this were to happen? Like it or not, St. Bonaventure has a responsibility unlike most schools in the fact that they practically sustain the area. I'd rather see us lose in the A-10 division than to be champions in a lesser division that isn't bringing in the bucks. Interesting...let's say for argument's sake that the flogging in the A-10 continues pretty much the way it is and attendance falls to an average in the low to mid 3K range. You gotta enlighten us as to how the local community benefits from this...I mean they had the #6 team (GW) in the nation in our 30 year old basketball shrine and we couldn't sell it out. If you're talking revenue sharing from others in A-10 going to the post season while we sit home and watch....once again...how does this serve the local community? |
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