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Post by brooklynbonnie on May 19, 2006 13:34:06 GMT -5
I can't belive you would rather be palying Iona, St.Peter's and Rider than Temple, Richmond or RI. Please. The A10 is SBU's best recruiting tool hands down. If we were in the MAAC we would never get JR, Gansey or Houston just to name a few. Also, how exactly would moving to the MAAC help the program over the long haul? Please enlighten me. Brooklynn----how much longer will these top notch recruits that flock to us because we are member of the A-10 be beating down the doors to come to our basketball mecca so they can be the punching bag for the upper echelon teams in the A-10. You're right you don't get a Gansey or a JR in the MAAC...you get a Corey Magee or a Ben Farmer and you play teams with similar type athletes, with similar type budgets and with similar type aspirations of winning their conference and going to the NCAA's. Obviously I'm not going to persuade any of you who believe we belong in the A-10 but no a single person has provided a credible rebuttal to our A-10 Tourney record----one and done too many times. Dem- We have always had one or two top notch players year in and year out since the begining of the program. FACT! They came back than and will continue to come as long as we are in the A10 and not the MAAC! Again, please tell me how moving to the MAAC will benefit the Bonnies over the long haul. I am open to hear your thoughts.
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Post by bonnieball on May 19, 2006 13:37:58 GMT -5
I know this is a Basketball Board in all but... Don't tell the Baseball team that they should move to the MAAC I beleive they are now in first place I think 1st place depends on the result of the URI-UMass game.
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Post by sbu79 on May 19, 2006 13:40:39 GMT -5
Accepting your objective (a trip to the NCAAs), the question becomes where are we best placed to attain that goal.
My own opinion is that it is as a member of a higher "mid-major" comference. I think that's where we have the best chance of attracting the boarderline impact players that can be molded into a conteder and where we can make enough of a showing with that roster to get a bid once in a while.
I think if we move too far down in the conference pecking order, we lose any selling point we may have for recruits. Even in the MAAC, there would be far more attractive options than "4 years in snowy, red-neck country" for the higher end players that would land in that league.
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Post by DemBonnies on May 19, 2006 13:59:09 GMT -5
One to two top notch athletes by whose standards?
Our 95% admission standards applies to basketball too.
We take a lot of folks who if they didn't land in our basket would tumble down to upper tier teams in a smaller conference. We get a warm fuzzy when targets mention us as medium interest.
You see I like Bonnie Basketball no matter who they are playing but I think we've pencil whipped this topic to death.
I think we're overmatched---you all think we're not.
I say our A-10 Tourney record speaks volumes and no one can refute it, but you still say we belong.
I'm not moving off the dime and not asking anybody else to...so let's just move along.
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Post by southhampton on May 19, 2006 13:59:15 GMT -5
Even though the MAAC would probably lead to better record on the court, i think it would lead to diminished revenue generated by the team. One of the biggest things about being in the A10 is the national spotlight even when we are a 7 win team (last game for st. Joes perfect regular season). There are the people that come to the games to see a number 6? George Washington or a number 2? St. Joes or a number 1 UMASS come to the RC. We lose all of this if we drop to the MAAC. I will assure you that the coverage of Bonas basketball in Rochester and Buffalo will go down as well. We will lose a major recruiting tool that this school has. There is a big difference in the basketball fans mind between the A10 and the MAAC or America East.
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Post by oleander on May 19, 2006 14:05:28 GMT -5
I know this is a Basketball Board in all but... Don't tell the Baseball team that they should move to the MAAC I believe they are now in first place I think 1st place depends on the result of the URI-UMass game. Right, but for the next 2 to 3 hours we are in sole possession of 1st by half a game.
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Post by DemBonnies on May 19, 2006 14:23:29 GMT -5
I will assure you that the coverage of Bonas basketball in Rochester and Buffalo will go down as well. And lack of coverage in the Buffalo paper would be bad right ---all that loving that Harrington et al give us would go away...how will we survive? I agree that having marquee teams waltz into RC would be a memory but so are the days of Bonnie greatness. We have this inflated opinion of ourselves as basketball greats but we're a lot like Shooter , in "Hoosiers"reliving the glory days of Hickory...problem is that miracle that his son's team performed is all Hollywood and is not going to be repeated in Olean.
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Post by oleander on May 19, 2006 14:36:55 GMT -5
We have this inflated opinion of ourselves as basketball greats but we're a lot like Shooter , in "Hoosiers"reliving the glory days of Hickory...problem is that miracle that his son's team performed is all Hollywood and is not going to be repeated in Olean. What? I can't speak for anyone else, but i am not dilusional. We will not have a team make the final four, I know this. But i don't think its far off to say that we can have a team that competes in the A-10 on a regular basis. Im not saying we are going to be at the top every year, but i think we can consistently be an average A-10 team. I'll take Average in the A-10 over being great in the MAAC for acouple years and then just average there too.
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Post by DemBonnies on May 19, 2006 14:39:47 GMT -5
Didnt St Joes go one and done a few years back when they were #1 in the country? I guess that was a disasterous season for them then. Since I don't see the wink icon here, I gotta assume you're serious....you're really comparing the number one team in the country getting upset in the second round of the tournament (since they had a first round bye) to us having dinner, a quick game and a bus ride home in our trips to the A-10 Tourney. And if you wouldn't drive to down from Rochester to see the Bonnies play a MAAC team but would to see them play an A-10 team then I guess the degree of love of Bonnie Basketball between you and I is somewhat different also. That's Sad!!
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Post by DemBonnies on May 19, 2006 14:48:34 GMT -5
I'mm not saying we are going to be at the top every year, but i think we can consistently be an average A-10 team. I'll take Average in the A-10 over being great in the MAAC for acouple years and then just average there too. Does the "average" A-10 team say win one or two games a year in their conference tourney, heck even one or two games every third year...we can't even accomplish that....and what makes you think we become average in the MAAC after a couple of years. Oleander...you set such lofty goals...let us aspire to being "average" in the A-10...problem is, we have miles to go before we get to that position.
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Post by kcSBU03 on May 19, 2006 14:52:01 GMT -5
OK, your sarcasm radar must have missed that one but they were 1 and done that year and all i was saying is you cant measure a season based on the A 10 tourney. You just cant. Im as dedicated fan as anyone, i listen to all the games onthe radio and drive down for 3-4 games a year. Given the cost and time it takes to make that trip, if they were playing Fairfield, i would be more inclined to stay home and listen on the radio then make the trip. Now if i lived in Olean that would be a different story. Whats sad is your complete lack of faith in our school. Lets face it, who wants to see inferior teams? Nobody. Even when they played St Joes int he last game of the season a few yrs back, i was still excited for the game knowing they could (altought most likely not) pull off a shocker. That opportunity will never happen in the MAAC. If you like the MAAC so much, go up to Buffalo and watch Canisius and Niagara. I bet you'll be begging for the Temple and GW's of the world after that.
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Post by brooklynbonnie on May 19, 2006 14:53:23 GMT -5
One to two top notch athletes by whose standards? Our 95% admission standards applies to basketball too. We take a lot of folks who if they didn't land in our basket would tumble down to upper tier teams in a smaller conference. We get a warm fuzzy when targets mention us as medium interest. You see I like Bonnie Basketball no matter who they are playing but I think we've pencil whipped this topic to death. I think we're overmatched---you all think we're not. I say our A-10 Tourney record speaks volumes and no one can refute it, but you still say we belong. I'm not moving off the dime and not asking anybody else to...so let's just move along. Barry Munger Rocky Llewellen(the best player-in my opinion) Elmer Anderson Michael Burnett(2nd best player in Pa. out of High School that year) Nil-Nelson Richards David Vanterpool Harry Moore Rashard Palmer Shandue McNeil Tim Winn PVP Caswell Cyrus Kevin Houston Green P.Prato M.Gansey Burch M.Boggan
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Post by brooklynbonnie on May 19, 2006 15:04:08 GMT -5
Dem--
I will ask again. How does moving to the MAAC help our program over the long haul?
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Post by oleander on May 19, 2006 15:04:16 GMT -5
I'mm not saying we are going to be at the top every year, but i think we can consistently be an average A-10 team. I'll take Average in the A-10 over being great in the MAAC for acouple years and then just average there too. Oleander...you set such lofty goals...let us aspire to being "average" in the A-10...problem is, we have miles to go before we get to that position. I don't think we are too far from average, my point was average in the A-10 is fine everything else is just gravy (im not hard to please). why when we get to the MAAC would a player choose us instead of manhattan, st. peters, canisius or niagara? this is why we would be average there too.
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Post by DemBonnies on May 19, 2006 15:06:02 GMT -5
OK, your sarcasm radar must have missed that one but they were 1 and done that year and all i was saying is you cant measure a season based on the A 10 tourney. Nope...my sarcasm radar was right on---I blew this out of the sky---you have a team that has won 6 games in their conference tourney over twenty years and you counter with the year St. Joe's get bounced in a shocker...that's apples and elephants If you like the MAAC so much, go up to Buffalo and watch Canisius and Niagara. I bet you'll be begging for the Temple and GW's of the world after that. Who said I liked the MAAC? I only offer that as a alternative to the yearly flogging we get in the A-10 regular season and our proven track record in the post. I needn't remind you of our stellar record against MAAC opponents this year too. Funny after I drove down to see the Marist game this year...long before this thread started, I thought this is the conference for us. I think some of their fans probably stayed home...they didn't want to see an inferior opponent.
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