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Post by DemBonnies on May 19, 2006 11:52:12 GMT -5
And tell me were it says Bona "Basketball" Bandwagon? Pls check the thread..I did a mea culpa about the other Bonnie Champions but to say that the crux of this board is not the discussion of Bonnie Basketball is at the very least, disingenuous. Also your point of why we didn't bail on the A-10 in th eighties is a very pointed question. Much like the Ambrosia song from around the same time frame we kept "Holding On to Yesterday."
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Post by bonnieball on May 19, 2006 12:06:13 GMT -5
12 wins in 26 years. How many 1st round byes? What is the actual record in the A10 tourney?
So I guess the 7 other A10 teams should go look for new homes.
Would you be pushing this move to the MAAC if it were 1993?
I think we all know the answer to that.
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Post by DemBonnies on May 19, 2006 12:22:53 GMT -5
12 wins in 26 years. How many 1st round byes? What is the actual record in the A10 tourney First round bye----yeah we've had a lot of them...more like first round bye byes...I think the record is 12up 25 down...so do the math we were 3-1 twice and not in tourney for the past 4 years. So something like 6 up and 23 down over 20 years. WOW!!!So I guess the 7 other A10 teams should go look for new homes. Would you be pushing this move to the MAAC if it were 1993? I think we all know the answer to that. Those names were just some tossed from off the top of my cranium...if you notice I haven't left the Baron era teams from my criticism of Atlantic-10 deplorable playoff record but once again you wish to avoid the facts that we have not been a team to be feared come tourney time.
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Post by kcSBU03 on May 19, 2006 12:26:21 GMT -5
Dem, I guess this arguement will not find a resolution. We should all agree to disagree. Let me ask you this though, when was the last time any MAAC team instilled fear in anyone? I think Kentucky and UCONN would have something to say about Bona scares.
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Post by DemBonnies on May 19, 2006 12:29:40 GMT -5
Dem, I guess this arguement will not find a resolution. We should all agree to disagree. Let me ask you this though, when was the last time any MAAC team instilled fear in anyone? I think Kentucky and UCONN would have something to say about Bona scares. I guess you could say the same about George Mason too couldn't you KC. Let's ask UConn and a few other about them...I guess that conference would be beneath us though too. And what about those Albany Great Danes and the scare they threw into the Huskies...god forbid we drop the MAAC talk and start setting our sights on America East-----Good GAWD
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Post by brooklynbonnie on May 19, 2006 12:36:18 GMT -5
You're right I aquiece...I've spoken with some MAAC friends and they don't want us either. The teams I saw in the Div II Final Four would've pasted us too so I guess Bonnieball is right Div III here we come.
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Post by bonnieball on May 19, 2006 12:38:21 GMT -5
We are in a better conference now . We have been competative in it. We can be again with the right committment. Moving down will not help improve the program. If we go to the MAAC, there is no point in competing in Division I at all!!
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Post by sbu79 on May 19, 2006 12:45:56 GMT -5
Personally, I don't see anymore merit to the idea of immediately rushing to the MAAC that keeps coming up than I do to the the call for the immediate firing of Solosmon that also keeps coming up. I will grant that there may come a day when both become start to make more sense to me, but that day is not here yet. Honestly - I don't know what the timeframe is for developing that conclusion. I only know that as long as the program seems to be making progress, I'm not ready to give up.
I posted in another thread a while back that is is reasonable to expect progress next season, and I even put out a benchmark of 11-14 wins as the measure of progress. I will hold off reaching the more radical conclusions some are pushing at least until I see how we do against that.
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Post by brooklynbonnie on May 19, 2006 12:57:36 GMT -5
You're right I aquiece...I've spoken with some MAAC friends and they don't want us either. The teams I saw in the Div II Final Four would've pasted us too so I guess Bonnieball is right Div III here we come. DEM- I can't belive you would rather be palying Iona, St.Peter's and Rider than Temple, Richmond or RI. Please. The A10 is SBU's best recruiting tool hands down. If we were in the MAAC we would never get JR, Gansey or Houston just to name a few. Also, how exactly would moving to the MAAC help the program over the long haul? Please enlighten me.
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Post by DemBonnies on May 19, 2006 13:09:19 GMT -5
I can't belive you would rather be palying Iona, St.Peter's and Rider than Temple, Richmond or RI. Please. The A10 is SBU's best recruiting tool hands down. If we were in the MAAC we would never get JR, Gansey or Houston just to name a few. Also, how exactly would moving to the MAAC help the program over the long haul? Please enlighten me. Brooklynn----how much longer will these top notch recruits that flock to us because we are member of the A-10 be beating down the doors to come to our basketball mecca so they can be the punching bag for the upper echelon teams in the A-10. You're right you don't get a Gansey or a JR in the MAAC...you get a Corey Magee or a Ben Farmer and you play teams with similar type athletes, with similar type budgets and with similar type aspirations of winning their conference and going to the NCAA's. Obviously I'm not going to persuade any of you who believe we belong in the A-10 but no a single person has provided a credible rebuttal to our A-10 Tourney record----one and done too many times.
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Post by bonnieball on May 19, 2006 13:17:07 GMT -5
I can't belive you would rather be palying Iona, St.Peter's and Rider than Temple, Richmond or RI. Please. The A10 is SBU's best recruiting tool hands down. If we were in the MAAC we would never get JR, Gansey or Houston just to name a few. Also, how exactly would moving to the MAAC help the program over the long haul? Please enlighten me. Brooklynn----how much longer will these top notch recruits that flock to us because we a member of the A-10 be beating down the doors to come to our basketball mecca so they can be the punching bag for the upper echelon teams in the A-10. You're right you don't get a Gansey or a JR in the MAAC...you get a Corey Magee or a Ben Farmer and you play teams with similar type athletes, with similar type budgets and with similar type aspirations of winning their conference and going to the NCAA's. Obviously I'm not going to persuade any of you who believe we belong in the A-10 but no a single person has provided a credible rebuttal to our A-10 Tourney record----one and done too many times. And obviously you are putting way too much weight on the conference tournament. SBU received at-large bids to the NIT in 1995, 1998, 2001, & 2002 as well as an at-large bid to the NCAA's in 2000. Do you get any of those from the MAAC?
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Post by kcSBU03 on May 19, 2006 13:17:16 GMT -5
I dont think its fair to base success on the A10 tourney and that alone. Didnt St Joes go one and done a few years back when they were #1 in the country? I guess that was a disasterous season for them then. Bonnieball is more on with comparing post season appearances. Sure we havent made a ton of noise but come on, those were great times to watch bona bball and i think those times will return sometime. I wouldnt drive down from Rochester to see them play a MAAC schedule but i do drive down to see them play the A 10.
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Post by sbu79 on May 19, 2006 13:17:37 GMT -5
...[not] a single person has provided a credible rebuttal to our A-10 Tourney record----one and done too many times. The better question to debate is "what should be our definition of success?" It appears that a sizeable segment of the members of this board do not believe it is the A-10 tourney record. What is the right definition, then?
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Post by oleander on May 19, 2006 13:23:00 GMT -5
I know this is a Basketball Board in all but...
Don't tell the Baseball team that they should move to the MAAC
I beleive they are now in first place
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Post by DemBonnies on May 19, 2006 13:30:22 GMT -5
The better question to debate is "what should be our definition of success?" It appears that a sizeable segment of the members of this board do not believe it is the A-10 tourney record. What is the right definition, then? Good point SBU79....I'm just assuming that we all want the Holy Grail---a trip to the NCAA's or the NIT....usually best accomplished by winning or playing well in one's conference tourney is indicative of worthiness for post-season play. If you are a member of one of the stronger conferences with a real good w/l record getting bounced in the first round probably isn't as much of a ding as it is to the A-10 type leagues when being considered for post-season play. For us, we closer to the third rail than to the Holy Grail. Notice I've steered clear of the scandal years...hell they don't even matter right now because we haven't played the A-10 for four years...my indictment is from O'Brien to van Breda Kolff.
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