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Post by hollywoodkek on May 20, 2006 10:38:58 GMT -5
sorry it was late at night and i was typing on a labtop with a broken right hand. MY BAD
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Post by wgt on May 20, 2006 10:48:52 GMT -5
hollywoodkek.....ceratinly no need to apologize for a spelling oversight. Quite common for posters even from Duke. Posting on a board is not writing a school paper, cover letter or work report. More important is the content of your remarks. Always good to read students' perspectives since they are close to the scene & can convey campus sentiment. Hope that hand heals fast & keep posting.
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Post by sburizz on May 20, 2006 20:07:27 GMT -5
hollywoodkek, I am extremely happy that you love Bonaventure and continue to be a student there I wonder why you considered transferring? I recently graduated from SBU and I had my doubts early on about the school but once I found a good group of friends it truly became the best time of my life. I don't mean this post as intimidating or anything but I am just curious why you considered transferring and some of your friends did? I also would like to say that I know many people from many prestigious schools who envy the overall college experience that I had at St. Bonaventure and we have had comparable educations. Good look hollywood I hope to see you at some games next year, I'll buy you a beer at the Skeller!
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Post by cus445 on May 21, 2006 10:55:46 GMT -5
Let me clear this up. I am a senior in High school and i am heading to Bonas next yr. I looked at many New york schools (Canisius, Siena, Niagara, st. John Fisher, MArist) While researching i found yes SBU was the easiest to get into but not the worst academically. In fact if u look at usnews rankings or Princeton Review(probably the most accurate source), i found that the only school with better academics was Marist. Siena and Bonas are on about the same level, with a slight edge to siena in terms of science. I have a hard time believeing that our science program is so bad becuase of that George Washington-Sbu med school program. And ENOUGH with the SUNY and CC talk. Just cuz some guy came on here saying that doesnt mean its true. I mean look at all the advancements BONAs is making. why would they change the school to a SUNY or CC. This isnt some no name school that lets every kid in. THis is a prestigious school that is in a little disadvantage because of the location. I defienitely agree recruiting is important in other places outside western NY. I do agree the Univeristy should not just let everyone in for the money. I dont agree the univeristy is full of "retards" becuse of this lenant admissions. The ones who barely get in will not make it. SO enough with this negative crap its really makin me think about decision and maybe i should of gone to marist or siena. I hope i made a right choice.
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Post by sbu79 on May 21, 2006 11:14:10 GMT -5
When I was at Bonas, I would sometimes look around at some of my fellow classmates and wonder what the value of my degree would be if these people were getting the same degree. Then, after making through all 4 years, I realized very few of those I wondered about actually ever graduated. So, they never did get the same degree I was getting. Many were called, but few were chosen.
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Post by cus445 on May 21, 2006 12:47:21 GMT -5
When I was at Bonas, I would sometimes look around at some of my fellow classmates and wonder what the value of my degree would be if these people were getting the same degree. Then, after making through all 4 years, I realized very few of those I wondered about actually ever graduated. So, they never did get the same degree I was getting. Many were called, but few were chosen. YOu hit it right on the head. Just cause u get accepted doesnt mean you going to graduate.
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Post by sbuSTUDent2005 on May 21, 2006 13:51:03 GMT -5
I'm not worried about acceptance rates or anything, what bothers me most is that some of the people who should be weeded out are being given extra chances and extra help. I knew a guy who went to Bonas for 2 years who never should have stepped foot on the campus in the first place but was given extra help that many others didn't get. He was a physics major for some reason and because of some issue he had (he was just plain dumb), he got twice the amount of time on all papers, tests, and projects as other people did and was allowed to take tests at the teaching and learning center. I happened to read a paper he wrote when it was on his desk one day and it was absolutely the worst thing I've ever read. I kid you not when I say I'd bet a 5th grader could write a better paper, use better grammar, and spell better. So this guy (and others I presume) are getting all this extra time and help that others don't get and end up with the same degree as all of the rest of us. To me, that is unfair. If someone can't handle college level courses, they don't belong in college.
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Post by Phantom on May 21, 2006 14:30:58 GMT -5
I'm assuming you are not a special ed teacher?
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Post by bonniesin2k6 on May 21, 2006 15:35:03 GMT -5
Amen SBUStudent.
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Post by bonafide on May 21, 2006 16:00:21 GMT -5
I'm also very concerned about "grade creep"at SBU. Way back when I was a student (late 60's) a 3.0 index was the minimum for Dean's List. And let me tell you that when you made Dean's List you knew that you had achieved something because getting a 3.0 (B) meant a hell of a lot of work. I recall that Dean's List used to be posted and there were never more than a couple of hundred students on it.....less than 10% of the entire student body.
Today, it seems like about 60% of the student body has a 3.0 or better index. Are the students today any smarter? With a 95 % acceptance rate I really doubt it. What seems to be going on is that the courses and grading have gotten a whole lot easier. The whole Clare College curriculum is nothing but watered-down mush in my humble opinion.
I completely agree with SBUstudent that there are some individuals who simply don't belong in a 4 year college like SBU. Unfortunately, instead of washing out freshman year as used to happen , these folks end up with the same SBU degree as those of us who have truly earned it.
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Post by wgt on May 21, 2006 16:04:49 GMT -5
Phantom makes the point. This student obtaining extra time etc. certainly sounds like a student who was classified by the committee of special education at his school district as learning disabled. Every college in the nation provides extra support & testing accommodations for such students. Sounds like this student, after 2 years, failed to succeed even with the extra help. Glad he gave it a shot & more importantly that Bona was supportive of him as mandated by federal & state law.
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Post by sbuSTUDent2005 on May 21, 2006 17:38:00 GMT -5
I'm assuming you are not a special ed teacher? Special Education has it's place but not at the college level. The student I spoke about was a physics major who as I know now is trying to get a job in the civil engineering field. Would you feel safe driving over a bridge designed by a guy who writes like a 10 year old or had twice the time on all of his tests and projects? If someone is having trouble with one course and needs tutoring, fine. If someone has trouble with every course they are taking and gets handouts that no one else gets, that's not ok.
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Post by sbuSTUDent2005 on May 21, 2006 17:45:16 GMT -5
Phantom makes the point. This student obtaining extra time etc. certainly sounds like a student who was classified by the committee of special education at his school district as learning disabled. Every college in the nation provides extra support & testing accommodations for such students. Sounds like this student, after 2 years, failed to succeed even with the extra help. Glad he gave it a shot & more importantly that Bona was supportive of him as mandated by federal & state law. This student was just plain stupid. I wish I had a copy of his creative writing paper from the infamous comp and crit. You'd know what I mean if you read the first sentence. He transferred after 2 years because he hated the school due to his awful/non-existant social skills (and that's saying it nicely). Anyway, my point is that it's not fair to the other students who all work hard to meet deadlines and sit through tests in the testing room like everyone else. In the end, the students who got all these extra handouts end up with the very same degree as those who didn't.
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Post by wgt on May 21, 2006 19:12:39 GMT -5
SbuStud…… Your comment “Special Education has it’s place but not at the college level” conflicts with the reality of Fed & State education law. These laws ensure that an individual with a learning disability (you may regard these individuals “just dumb” – I hope not) have an opportunity for college. They must meet SAT requirements of whatever school they apply to & do receive extra services & time extensions you point out. You obviously disagree with this practice but all colleges are required to provide these accommodations. At many schools the student pays extra for the tutoring and other accommodations. The student you write about displayed poor social skills which is characteristic of LD and other developmental disabilities. It appears he failed out in spite of Bona’s support. Those that do persever & graduate will be differentiated from you by the GPA you attained in comparison to them. Potential employers, as you well know don't just look at the parchment. I don’t believe he or any individual with such academic deficiencies will be designing any bridges I should fear driving over. My only fear in that regard is a very real one. The inability of states to adequately inspect & maintain bridges that have been built.
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Post by sbuSTUDent2005 on May 21, 2006 21:01:31 GMT -5
Yes, it is my opinion and I disagree with the practice. My view is that college isn't necessarily for everyone and we shouldn't have to bend over backwards to accommodate each person's needs at that level, though it is certainly warranted in all levels up until the 12th grade. In a perfect world everyone would receive a college level education but that certainly isn't the reality. At the college level, certain standards should be set and if someone can't meet them, as an old boss of mine used to say, sorry for your luck.
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