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Post by Pinnum on Mar 30, 2020 13:36:26 GMT -5
Reading the above,what I’m getting is that traveling to Allegany is a major hangup to scheduling a higher level team for ooc games If that’s correct why wouldn’t having a couple of extra home games in Buffalo or Rochester be viable? The cost of hosting games in Buffalo/Rochester is an obstacle. Add in the fact that major conference teams won't do those games and you're talking about scheduling mid-majors to those games. Those aren't exactly the type of teams that bring out fans (the Vermont game was good because they had a local star). Add in the fact that the RC and students give a great home court advantage. It is a balancing act. But I am of the opinion that a few more games in Buffalo/Rochester would be good. But you don't want to upset your season ticket holders.
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Post by 123Rob on Mar 30, 2020 13:42:12 GMT -5
45% of season ticket holders are from Buff/Roch
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Post by Pinnum on Mar 30, 2020 13:48:57 GMT -5
45% of season ticket holders are from Buff/Roch I believe it is 45% are from further than 60 miles away (roughly an hour drive) and hardly any of those to the south. (Which would include places along I-86. But let's assume what you said is correct. Maybe I am misremembering and the information was that they were from the North. Anyways... the issue is that the 45% is less than the 55%. And if you assume an even split from Buffalo/Rochester season ticket holders then a game in Buffalo only has about 23% of season ticket holders and Rochester only has 23% of season ticket holders. But I am of the opinion that those Rochester and Buffalo pools of financial supporters can grow with more games in Buffalo and Rochester. So I support the idea of more games being played there (in neutral arenas). But I am simply sharing that there is a real concern about taking games away from the local season ticket holders who do support the program on the gamble that the investment in the cities will yield more. I believe if can be done well with the right strategy and planning. I don't mean to say I don't support it. I am just sharing the concerns and there are risks involved. Let's not forget that only 3,800 watched the Bonnies at KeyBank this year.
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Post by tastylicks on Mar 31, 2020 10:47:20 GMT -5
45% of season ticket holders are from Buff/Roch I believe it is 45% are from further than 60 miles away (roughly an hour drive) and hardly any of those to the south. (Which would include places along I-86. Seems like an odd assumption to make when you don’t have a clue if it’s right or not
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Post by Pinnum on Mar 31, 2020 11:08:15 GMT -5
I believe it is 45% are from further than 60 miles away (roughly an hour drive) and hardly any of those to the south. (Which would include places along I-86. Seems like an odd assumption to make when you don’t have a clue if it’s right or not You omitted the next paragraph I wrote. I accept that my memory might be off, but I don't recall the comments by TK being what you said. I was thinking the comment included Jamestown/Erie in the 45%. I remember the comment being more about the radius of support not coming from the south at all (which makes sense since the Allegany National Forest is there and cuts off the connection to the populations to the south of Bradford). But I accepted what you said and I worked on the assumption you were right. It is possible you were right. And my whole point was that even if you are right (and my memory of the comment is off) then that still leaves a big drop off to each individual city (Buffalo or Rochester) to the North where the Bonnies would play when compared to Olean. I am not too prideful to acknowledge that my memory might be flawed. I want to make an effort to always offer the best discussions with the most accurate information, which is why I shared that I didn't remember it the way you did.
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Post by tastylicks on Mar 31, 2020 11:18:57 GMT -5
Seems like an odd assumption to make when you don’t have a clue if it’s right or not You omitted the next paragraph I wrote. I accept that my memory might be off, but I don't recall the comments by TK being what you said. I was thinking the comment included Jamestown/Erie in the 45%. I remember the comment being more about the radius of support not coming from the south at all (which makes sense since the Allegany National Forest is there and cuts off the connection to the populations to the south of Bradford). But I accepted what you said and I worked on the assumption you were right. It is possible you were right. And my whole point was that even if you are right (and my memory of the comment is off) then that still leaves a big drop off to each individual city (Buffalo or Rochester) to the North where the Bonnies would play when compared to Olean. I am not too prideful to acknowledge that my memory might be flawed. I want to make an effort to always offer the best discussions with the most accurate information, which is why I shared that I didn't remember it the way you did. I think you have me confused with someone else
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Post by Pinnum on Mar 31, 2020 12:34:16 GMT -5
You omitted the next paragraph I wrote. I accept that my memory might be off, but I don't recall the comments by TK being what you said. I was thinking the comment included Jamestown/Erie in the 45%. I remember the comment being more about the radius of support not coming from the south at all (which makes sense since the Allegany National Forest is there and cuts off the connection to the populations to the south of Bradford). But I accepted what you said and I worked on the assumption you were right. It is possible you were right. And my whole point was that even if you are right (and my memory of the comment is off) then that still leaves a big drop off to each individual city (Buffalo or Rochester) to the North where the Bonnies would play when compared to Olean. I am not too prideful to acknowledge that my memory might be flawed. I want to make an effort to always offer the best discussions with the most accurate information, which is why I shared that I didn't remember it the way you did. I think you have me confused with someone else You're right. I didn't pay attention to who wrote the comment. Comment still the same, just different person it is directed to...
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Post by rf1 on May 19, 2020 15:24:39 GMT -5
The MWC voted 7-4 to increase their league schedule to 20 games. This will mean round robin home and away games versus every other member as there are 11 teams. San Diego, UNLV, Nevada, and Air Force are thought to be the dissenters. Will not go into effect until another two years after the the initial MWC-A10 Challenge agreement is completed. Assumption is that the renewal clause for this conference challenge will not be acted on per San Diego Union-Tribune.
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Post by bjif on May 19, 2020 16:44:58 GMT -5
From a business management perspective I have this huge arena in Rochester or Buffalo and I would rather it sit empty than to work out a deal for college basketball to schedule 3 or 4 games in my arena. That is pretty stupid!
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Post by Pinnum on May 20, 2020 18:09:13 GMT -5
From a business management perspective I have this huge arena in Rochester or Buffalo and I would rather it sit empty than to work out a deal for college basketball to schedule 3 or 4 games in my arena. That is pretty stupid! Is this in response to a comment? I am not sure I follow what you're saying.
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Post by fjs64 on May 20, 2020 18:12:46 GMT -5
the 20 game conference schedule is dead, at least for now:
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Post by kcSBU03 on May 21, 2020 6:58:18 GMT -5
I bet it happens next season or the year after.
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Post by thebonafan08 on May 21, 2020 8:18:51 GMT -5
I bet it happens next season or the year after. They will do it after MWC Matchup is done. That is what MWC is doing.
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Post by kcSBU03 on May 21, 2020 8:24:30 GMT -5
I bet it happens next season or the year after. They will do it after MWC Matchup is done. That is what MWC is doing. That is what I was thinking. I am holding out hope they do something to keep that challenge going but it sounds like the MWC wont want to.
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Post by Pinnum on May 21, 2020 8:54:15 GMT -5
They will do it after MWC Matchup is done. That is what MWC is doing. That is what I was thinking. I am holding out hope they do something to keep that challenge going but it sounds like the MWC wont want to. Yeah, I think that’s the case too. The A10 replaced the Missouri Valley conference who had a challenge with the MWC. And I have a feeling the MVC would want a challenge with the A10. But I am not sure how all the A10 would feel about it. For programs like ours it would be great but Dayton and VCU type programs might not support it—though VCU and Northern Iowa just entered into a multi game agreement. The travel would be much better.
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