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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2008 11:46:17 GMT -5
One positive thing that goes under the radar is that this signing shows that the current/transfer players are pretty happy with Coach Schmidt's program. It’s a good sign that the philly guys are able to convince recruits to come in. I realize JUCO players are always a crap shoot but it sounds like the kid’s got potential. b4 - absolutely agree...Roy Williams said that you can recruit kids to be a very good team. But once the current players become recruiters, that's when you become a great team. |
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Post by mikenice on Mar 26, 2008 12:15:29 GMT -5
By default? Including Leonard, we only have three guards on the team. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Let's wait for a full roster before we start making lineup predictions. I would love to have enough quality guards to run at 3 guard lineup at times. Right now, we don't. We'll sign at least one point guard and who knows what we'll do with our last recruit. However, I do see us playing with a three-guard offense at times next year. Having Matthews and Leonard on the wings could be very effective if we have a point that can run the show. I hope we have enough good guards to run 3 guards out there. I won't get my hopes up that the few guards we have will be 3 of our best players. |
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Post by wgt on Mar 26, 2008 19:10:04 GMT -5
Ceharv asked, how did LL score his points. I had previously posted how LL became the #1 scorer in the CACCAA, which is made up of over 90 teams & 1100 players. LL took 480 shots converting on .440 of them. Of this number he took 172 treys knocking down 62 (most in Conference) = .360. 308 shots were taken inside the arc (drives/pull up jumpers) & he converted 149 of them = 48%. He scored 146 pts from the stripe shooting 70%.
In summary: 36% of his scoring came from treys, 23% from the stripe & 41% from inside the arc. A nice balance for his scoring potential in the A10.
Last season he scored 14ppg on a 27-7 squad that sent 3 players to Div I. This year’s team went 15-14 & he had to step up to produce points on a team that scored 82ppg. As has been pointed out he hit for 20ppg in HS in Phil. Matching the 19ppg that Houston put up in senior year is quite a challenge but I see him potentially not far off that mark in his second A10 season.
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Post by sbuSTUDent2005 on Apr 3, 2008 19:04:51 GMT -5
I found a video from a team that played against Leonard's. Granted it's the highlights of the other team, but every time you see Leonard, it looks like he's really lolly-gagging it. Take a look: www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v_113gME_Y(He's #1) |
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Post by coach on Apr 3, 2008 19:56:55 GMT -5
Wow, good eye. I agree with you on that. He won't see the court here if he plays "HEY" defense like it appears. Hopefully, those highlights came at all the times he wasn't hustling
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Post by Chuck on Apr 3, 2008 20:02:40 GMT -5
Watched it 3 times and still can't see where he is dogging it. Opens with Leonard rebounding, but slips and loses the rebound. He goes for a block, but is too far behind and misses the block. Someone dogging it, would not even make an attempt to block the shot. Twice he is guarding the guy at the top of the key and ball is passed to the wing and both times he hustles to get to the shooter. Last second shot he chases toward the shooter, who quickly passes it back to the top of key and it is Leonard hustling to get a hand up in face of the shooter who misses last second game winning shot. Defensive play of the game is Leonard hustling back helping to preserve the one point win.
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Post by wgt on Apr 3, 2008 21:04:17 GMT -5
I also see no evidence of "Lolly-gagging it." #5 was beaten badly to his left.
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Post by sbuSTUDent2005 on Apr 3, 2008 21:16:46 GMT -5
Well my biggest gripe with it is that around the 1:03 mark, #21 on VVC is coming down the court on a fast break with everyone else hustling back and Leonard can be seen down the other end of the court walking like it's a dead ball or something. Even the ref is hustling down the court faster than Leonard!
At the 1:19 mark he's standing around as a VVC player drives to the hoop and #3 on VVC (who I'm assuming is Leonard's man) is standing right in front of him and gets the pass for an easy put in. The first thing ANYONE who plays basketball learns is to always play between your man and the hoop.
At the 1:23 mark, he makes an attempt to steal the ball from #40 but ends up just running right by him and the player nails an open shot. Now if you watch closely, Leonard goes out of the frame for a minute and the next point you see him he looks like he's already running down the court for an outlet pass which means that as soon as he ran past the player and missed the steal, he looped around and started running down the court for with hopes of an easy layup on the chance that SBVC got the rebound on a missed shot. So he's basically attempting to cherry pick rather than go back and continue playing defense or box out (something I didn't see him doing once in the video).
Regarding the last shot, he really got lucky. Right before the #3 on VVC took the final shot, he passed it off to the wing. You then see Leonard go over toward that player (#5 I think) and leave #3 open, #5 passes it right back to #3 who is open for the shot and Leonard has to turn back and gives a lazy attempt at blocking the shot.
Again, I realize that this is not a fair assessment considering the video consists entirely of highlights of the other team's play, and it's also only one game out of however many he's played, but it definitely hints at areas he's going to need to work on in order to be a solid contributor to the team. I hate to say it but watching him closely playing defense in each play, all I could think was that he looks like he's got the defensive ability of Hillary Haley (who as I've said before has the worst footwork and defensive IQ I've seen out of any player). I'll have to try to dig up another video so we can make a fair assessment of his assets and liabilities.
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Post by Chuck on Apr 3, 2008 22:11:37 GMT -5
What is wrong with cherry picking? Jameer Nelson and JR Bremer were great at cherry picking. At the 1:03 mark, cherry picking is exactly what Leonard was planning on. Fast break is way ahead of him and you can see him waiting for the pass after the layup. Unfortunately we do not see what happens, with the video clip ending after the layup.
At 1:19 how do you know it was Leonard's man. Early clips looks like SBVC is playing zone and he is playing right side in the front. Again with this clip he is on the right side and appears to drop back, because ball is underneath. If he is playing front of zone then he obviously would be behind the player.
At 1:23 he misses steals and video shows he starts heading down the court after made shot and then video ends. Anything else is pure speculation. We can assume he does not bring up the ball after made shots.
Do not know how you can call the last play lucky? Leonard hustled toward the left and ball was passed back to the point and Leonard hustled back to prevent an uncontested jumper. Great hustle by Leonard, which you are accusing him of lacking.
Criticism of him not boxing out. Give me the time when he had an opportunity to box out. Making to many assumptions from limited video of Leonard.
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Post by coach on Apr 3, 2008 22:12:14 GMT -5
i noticed a lot of times he was way out of place on defense and other times walking down court. No wonder why he scored so much he is what you call a cherry picker
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Post by Chuck on Apr 3, 2008 22:24:54 GMT -5
i noticed a lot of times he was way out of place on defense and other times walking down court. No wonder why he scored so much he is what you call a cherry picker How can you tell "he was way out of place on defense" from a video clip? Appears SBVC is playing a zone and it appears Leonard is trapping at the point and has a large area to cover running (like to stress he is running) to the wings. The problem is the word appears, because we do not know what defense they are running. See Leonard walking back once after a made basket. If running a half court offense, players walk back. We are talking about a video clip that lasts about a second of him walking back. |
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Post by sbuSTUDent2005 on Apr 3, 2008 23:28:28 GMT -5
Chuck, I'm going to have to disagree with you. For starters, EVERYTHING is wrong with cherry-picking! There's no place for it on a team-oriented style of play that Schmidt runs and ESPECIALLY if we run a 3-guard next season set like man posters are hinting at. I think Relph and Fereti did a fine job on the boards last season mainly from hustle, boxing out, and good positioning. We'll need Leonard to do the same. At the 1:03 mark, Leonard is not cherry-picking, he's dogging it. There's a VVC player down there with Leonard so it would not be an easy bucket for him. Also, when the video cuts in, #21 is dribbling down the court pretty quickly which indicates he had not just caught the ball in the position on the court (roughly the opposite 3 point line) where the video shows him to be. He would have started back even further. Unfortunately they didn't show what had just happened to cause that fast break but we do clearly see Leonard not moving more than 5 feet as #21 proceeds to go coast-to-coast. I contend that Leonard could have and more importantly SHOULD have attemtped to stop the fast break. I would like to reference this clip to demonstrate my point: www.youtube.com/watch?v=_17hMuExqP0At the 1:19 mark, regardless of whether they're playing man or zone (even though it's likely that VVC was on a fast break as SBVC looks so unsettled on defense), Leonard HAS to see that the guy in front of him has good positioning for an easy two yet made no attempt to get in front of the guy. At the 1:23 mark, if you watch things carefully and factor in the timing of things, you see that as soon as Leonard runs by the VVC player, the camera cuts to the left as the player shoots and when you see Leonard next, he's already heading down and gets just past the 3-point line. This means as soon as he ran past the player, he turned left and ran to down the court immediately, not even attempting to get back and box out the shooter in the event of a miss. Plus, his poor attempt to rip the ball out of the guys hands rather than playing defense resulted in the made basket. On the last play, I meant he was lucky that the guy didn't make the shot because Leonard gave it to him. When the guy initially made the pass, Leonard should have stayed on the guy because there was another SBVC who was closer to #5 and by Leonard going over to attempt a double team, he left #3 open for the potentially game winning shot. Examples of Leonard not boxing out: - At the 0:20 mark, he's simply standing in front of the guy, not boxing out. - At the 0:47 mark, the guy who made the pass to #22 could have easily snuck around the left side and gotten past Leonard (who was not boxing out) for the rebound had #22 missed. - At the 1:23 mark, please see above. Again, I don't at all believe that this clip is representative of Leonard's ability but I am making the case that it demonstrates a few things that Leonard will need to work on if he's going to have any impact next season. |
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Post by Chuck on Apr 4, 2008 6:25:07 GMT -5
A good civil discussion. Feels like we are competing lawyers going over the visual evidence. Something how 4 people can see the same video and we are split on what we see.
At :20 second mark he is boxing out number 34.
At :47 there isn't a player around him to box out.
At 1:23 Leonard is behind the player, so he can't box out. Again we do not know the defense SBVC is playing. If it is man defense he should be in front of the man. If it is zone (he is on the same side as previous clips where they are playing zone) then he would be behind the offensive player. Just do not know.
Last second shot it appears they are playing zone as the defensive players are following the ball and not their man. Is Leonard heading over for a trap, because this is their defense? Do not know? Do know that he hustled back to challenge a game winning shot that misses by a mile.
As for the cherry picking at 1:03, you do not know why he is back on the defensive end. Did he grab the rebound and threw a long outlet pass or is he dogging it? Just do not know from a video clip. You are right a defensive player is near to stop any cherry picking. Is this defensive player there, because they've been burn for few easy cherry picking baskets or he is a well coached player, who is seeing what Leonard is doing? Again from a video clip we do not know.
There is nothing wrong with cherry picking, it is a part of basketball. It can turn into easy points, which is the goal of the offense. You are correct, it is obvious we will not agree. Curious what the majority will see at the conclusion of this thread.
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Post by coach on Apr 4, 2008 8:22:49 GMT -5
If you know anything about basketball-very rarely is Leonard in position to play defense.
Like i said let's just hope these were the only plays he took off
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Post by Felca on Apr 4, 2008 8:56:30 GMT -5
It doesn't matter what Lewis did prior to Coach Schmidt. I am sure there are many aspects of his game slash studies that needs to improve. The important thing is that he has talent and is coachable. It's now the coaches job, to sculp his talent to what will work on this level. If Coach can't do that, than he used poor judgement offering Lewis a scholarship.
Bottom line for me is we are getting a player that has talent. I hope he can learn to play for Coach Schmidt.
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