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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 13:05:07 GMT -5
It would be a crime if Niagara was not in the RC this year. As long as Antoine Mason stays at Niagara we need to have that happen. Seeing his father Anthony Mason interact with the student section will be worth the price of admission on its own.
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Post by kcSBU03 on May 20, 2014 13:36:15 GMT -5
If true, why on Earth do we keep giving away homes games to Niagara? It makes no sense to me. If they are going to play neutral sites then it should be alternated who is the home team. Its hard to win on the road in college basketball and now we are not getting one of our biggest rivals in the RC again?
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Post by jjjacks17 on May 20, 2014 13:40:40 GMT -5
If true, why on Earth do we keep giving away homes games to Niagara? It makes no sense to me. If they are going to play neutral sites then it should be alternated who is the home team. Its hard to win on the road in college basketball and now we are not getting one of our biggest rivals in the RC again? Ironically we have beat them the last three years, once in Rochester and twice at NU but lost out last game to them in the RC three years ago. Maybe playing them at a neutral location isn't so bad. I would be fine with playing them in Buffalo every year as long as it isn't scheduled while students are on campus.
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Post by Pinnum on May 20, 2014 14:14:15 GMT -5
If true, why on Earth do we keep giving away homes games to Niagara? It makes no sense to me. If they are going to play neutral sites then it should be alternated who is the home team. Its hard to win on the road in college basketball and now we are not getting one of our biggest rivals in the RC again? It makes sense to want to reach the alumni in Buffalo and Rochester. It is a misconception to think that the Niagara game at Niagara (or Canisius) can serve the purpose of reaching the Buffalo alumni. SBU shouldn't put marketing dollars into attracting alumni to another Catholic school that many older alumni consider a rival in an effort to attract the SBU alumni to visit the rival's campus. This is the reason new A10 member Davidson can't get home games with Duke and UNC but they are happy to make the trip to Charlotte and play them at a neutral site. The last thing Duke wants is prospective students, alumni, or fans to visit academic rival Davidson. It would be much better to see the neutral site games rise in popularity so that the other two Buffalo area Catholics are interested in hosting their home game at the neutral sites.
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Post by kcSBU03 on May 20, 2014 14:16:42 GMT -5
You guys are missing the point. It should be a neutral site every year then, not every other with us giving up the home game. That's insane. There are quite a few of Niagara alums in Rochester and Buffalo too so it goes both ways.
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Post by Pinnum on May 20, 2014 14:22:13 GMT -5
You guys are missing the point. It should be a neutral site every year then, not every other with us giving up the home game. That's insane. There are quite a few of Niagara alums in Rochester and Buffalo too so it goes both ways. No. SBU is willing to assume the risk because it has an upside for SBU. Niagara can host in a metro area with a lot of SBU and NU alums without having to pay facility usage fees while SBU can reach a large group of their alumni that are otherwise neglected when it comes to the marketing arm that is men's basketball. Would it be nice to have NU be neutral? Sure, but it would be absurd to think SBU is in a position to force their hand. At the end of the day, SBU shouldn't do anything that could potentially put NU in a position to take a financial loss which a neutral site can easily do. Luckily SBU is in a slightly better position as their is a greater upside for SBU.
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Post by kcSBU03 on May 20, 2014 14:46:43 GMT -5
Upside for who exactly? How about the SBU mens basketball program, is it an upside for them to give up a home game every other year to Niagara and then go into their hostile high school gym and play? Playing them neutral in Buffalo does nothing for us if we are giving up a home game every time. We are in position to force their hand because they need the game more than we need it. I dont get why we are taking it in the rear for one of our rivals.
Seriously, difference between post season and no post season can easily come down to 1 game a year and to give up a home game every other year to an inferior (in terms of conference) is stupid. Every time we play them on the road its a drag out fight and we usually take care of them at home. Now for the second time in a row in the series, we dont get that much easier home game. Its not good for the program. Its been well documented that the basketball team is the best promoter of the University so getting them on the highest stage is the goal. Playing a home game against Niagara in Buffalo does not accomplish that. We are going to draw in Rochester and Buffalo no matter who we play so why make the sacrifice?
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Post by Pinnum on May 20, 2014 14:58:21 GMT -5
Upside for who exactly? How about the SBU mens basketball program, is it an upside for them to give up a home game every other year to Niagara and then go into their hostile high school gym and play? Playing them neutral in Buffalo does nothing for us if we are giving up a home game every time. We are in position to force their hand because they need the game more than we need it. I dont get why we are taking it in the rear for one of our rivals. You sound like you are quite young, so I will forgive some of your comments, though I would expect much more from an SBU alum. The SBU Men's basketball program, is not, as you allude, a separate entity from the school. In fact, the program and the school are even further dependent on one another than you may think. It would be erroneous to compare SBU to other programs from top conferences. Yes, SBU could walk away from the NU series but what good would that do? SBU doesn't want to be left with another guarantee game to fill. Additionally, it is important for SBU to have a good working relationship with NU and for there to be an understanding that the two work together for each other's benefit. Yes, they are rivals but they are also peers. Just as is the case in business, you often have the best relationships with your biggest competitors and if you can't pick up the phone to call your competitor if ever needed then you have bigger problems than you may think. This is not a negative for SBU and though it may be a slight negative (Sagarin would rate it at what, a three point difference?) the positive impact to SBU as whole is much greater. And lets be honest, SBU should be prepared in the early season to play in different venues and come away with a win. We shouldn't be too concerned about the on the court impact with this decision when SBU competes in such a solid conference.
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Post by jh on May 20, 2014 15:33:15 GMT -5
If true, why on Earth do we keep giving away homes games to Niagara? It makes no sense to me. If they are going to play neutral sites then it should be alternated who is the home team. Its hard to win on the road in college basketball and now we are not getting one of our biggest rivals in the RC again? I think the hope is that this could lead to an annual game vs Niagara played in Buffalo over Thanksgiving weekend. Its TBD if Canisius or UB could coordinate to have it be a double header. I highly doubt there is a long term plan to play NU on its campus for their home game and us play them in Buffalo for our 'home' game.... St Bonas has gone over a decade without playing a game in downtown Buffalo - home of its biggest alumni base. What I'd like to see happen on such games is possibly have the Bona women's team be the other half of the double header and also have St Bonas set up major booths in the Arena as an opportunity to promote our conference and our school and our majors - for prospective new students who may be attending the game.
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Post by bonaman2013 on May 20, 2014 22:10:56 GMT -5
So does it look like Bona will be playing in Rochester this year or no?
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Post by brownindian11 on May 20, 2014 23:41:25 GMT -5
This is ridiculous. Play them at a neutral site over thanksgiving break every year or rotate home and away when students are on campus. That's it! Oh and by the way niagra, canisius and UB are not Duke, UNC and Wake Forest. This makes no sense.
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Post by Pinnum on May 21, 2014 6:46:46 GMT -5
I agree, jh.
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Post by kcSBU03 on May 21, 2014 7:29:10 GMT -5
Upside for who exactly? How about the SBU mens basketball program, is it an upside for them to give up a home game every other year to Niagara and then go into their hostile high school gym and play? Playing them neutral in Buffalo does nothing for us if we are giving up a home game every time. We are in position to force their hand because they need the game more than we need it. I dont get why we are taking it in the rear for one of our rivals. You sound like you are quite young, so I will forgive some of your comments, though I would expect much more from an SBU alum. The SBU Men's basketball program, is not, as you allude, a separate entity from the school. In fact, the program and the school are even further dependent on one another than you may think. It would be erroneous to compare SBU to other programs from top conferences. Yes, SBU could walk away from the NU series but what good would that do? SBU doesn't want to be left with another guarantee game to fill. Additionally, it is important for SBU to have a good working relationship with NU and for there to be an understanding that the two work together for each other's benefit. Yes, they are rivals but they are also peers. Just as is the case in business, you often have the best relationships with your biggest competitors and if you can't pick up the phone to call your competitor if ever needed then you have bigger problems than you may think. This is not a negative for SBU and though it may be a slight negative (Sagarin would rate it at what, a three point difference?) the positive impact to SBU as whole is much greater. And lets be honest, SBU should be prepared in the early season to play in different venues and come away with a win. We shouldn't be too concerned about the on the court impact with this decision when SBU competes in such a solid conference. You are not getting my points at all. Im not saying to end the series, Im saying not to give up our home game every other year and play them in their gym. It makes no sense. Im done debating this. At least BrownIndian gets it.
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Post by Pinnum on May 21, 2014 8:04:25 GMT -5
BrownIndiana11 and kcSBU03 -
I do understand what you are trying to argue but this is a macro issue and you're treating it like a micro issue. This is more about the University than it is about the basketball. The neutral game in Buffalo (or previously, in Rochester) is more valuable for the University than a home game.
This is not Niagara requiring SBU's leg of the series be played in a neutral site (which would be in line with the Duke/UNC argument). Rather, this is SBU saying they want to play in downtown Buffalo (or Rochester) and Niagara is agreeing to participate in the event. Think of this more as being what Syracuse has done, over the years, to turn NYC into a Syracuse Basketball City. It worked out well for them and was the key to seeing an increase in their investment in football and playing some football games in NYC.
Most people understand the issues SBU basketball faces and I think most would agree that this can be an effective tool to help address some of those issues. If you're looking at how this one game could potentially impact one game this season then you're taking a very narrow view. To be honest, you remind me of the Louisville fans that were upset when Louisville started scheduling Thursday night football games in an effort to draw more attention to the team and the school. As many of you know, it was a huge success.
At the end of the day it comes down to Niagara and SBU having different goals for the series but despite the differences they work together.
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Post by Bona84 on May 21, 2014 8:32:21 GMT -5
BrownIndiana11 and kcSBU03 - I do understand what you are trying to argue but this is a macro issue and you're treating it like a micro issue. This is more about the University than it is about the basketball. The neutral game in Buffalo (or previously, in Rochester) is more valuable for the University than a home game. This is not Niagara requiring SBU's leg of the series be played in a neutral site (which would be in line with the Duke/UNC argument). Rather, this is SBU saying they want to play in downtown Buffalo (or Rochester) and Niagara is agreeing to participate in the event. Think of this more as being what Syracuse has done, over the years, to turn NYC into a Syracuse Basketball City. It worked out well for them and was the key to seeing an increase in their investment in football and playing some football games in NYC. Most people understand the issues SBU basketball faces and I think most would agree that this can be an effective tool to help address some of those issues. If you're looking at how this one game could potentially impact one game this season then you're taking a very narrow view. To be honest, you remind me of the Louisville fans that were upset when Louisville started scheduling Thursday night football games in an effort to draw more attention to the team and the school. As many of you know, it was a huge success. I hear what you are saying, pinnum. But, I'm just not sure that playing Niagara in Buffalo is going to turn Buffalo into "Bona Basketball City", to use your Syracuse/NYC example. I'm not against playing Little 3 or Big 4 games at FNC, but I'm not sure a rotation of only giving up home games to do so is best. I'd prefer games against teams from so-called stronger conferences to be played at FNC or Blue Cross Arena, since Niagara, Canisius and UB are schools that Bona's can generally get to come to the Reilly Center.
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