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Post by Pinnum on May 22, 2014 9:29:45 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but playing at FNC costs Bona a lot more money than playing at BCA. I'm pretty sure Bona does not pay any rent to play at Blue Cross, and I think all they pay in Rochester is for staffing and 15% of the ticket sales. I'm pretty sure in Buffalo you have to pay both of the above fees plus a flat fee for playing at FNC. Last time we played a Little Three team in Buffalo it only drew about ~3,900 in attendance. I can't imagine getting more than 5K for a game at FNC, and considering all the costs, it probably wouldn't be worth it. Obviously you wouldn't want to play NU in Rochester again, but if we had to give up one of home games it should be to UB. Way bigger alumni bases in both Buffalo and Rochester. Before I get torn apart for this last idea, why not try playing a game in Erie? I know at first it sounds crazy, but it would be much easier to get a team like Pitt, WVU, Ohio St, Cincy, Clev. St., Akron, Toledo, Kent St to play in Erie being that it's a much closer destination. They have a brand new arena which use to have a capacity of ~6,700, but with renovations it looks like it could hold over 7K, which shouldn't be a problem. I know the Erie area isn't as big of an alumni base as Buffalo-Roc-Syr, but when you factor in that Erie is less than two hrs from Bona, Buffalo, Cleveland and Pittsburgh, that would mean you could tap into roughly the 4,000 alums that are in a two-hour area. It would probably be a long shot, but I know Bona admissions is looking to grow student enrollment it the eastern Ohio and western PA area, so it might be an attractive location. Sorry, I missed a few posts yesterday. I have hosted events at similar venues so I am aware of the costs for small, medium, and large facilities and the various fees and billing structures used. I have actually thought about Erie in the past. The Erie Insurance Arena renovations and new suites would make for a good venue. However, the drawback is the competition with the Bayhawks. I do not believe selling a Big-5 on playing there would be an easy sell. However, it may be a game a team like Cleveland State would be willing to take, as long as SBU were hosting and assuming the risk. Playing a double header with Gannon/Mercyhurst opening the event would be an option too since it likely wouldn't impact day rates for the facility and it would lead to two regional Catholic schools marketing the event. The nice thing about Erie is that it opens up the ability to sell ticket packages to Jamestown/Warren with games to Erie and Olean which enables ticket sales to be broader and making the efforts worthwhile (marketing for a single game in a new area takes years to establish a reoccurring base enabling you to recoup your marketing investments). The real issue at the heart of all the issues people seem to have has to do with the assumption that it wouldn't be difficult to attract Big-5 programs to a neutral court. That is, indeed, a fallacy. With all that said, I do believe in expanding the foot print of the program and in the strategic plan I have mapped out I have also targeted Erie as a key location. So while I am not opposed to playing in Erie, I think continuing to foster and build the connections to Rochester (and Buffalo) would be in the best interest of the program. I wouldn't mind seeing two games a year in Rochester before expanding to Erie a city I consider the fourth target outside of Olean.
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Post by sbu79 on May 22, 2014 10:31:56 GMT -5
I wonder if there is a connection between playing this game in Buffalo (assuming this is true) and "strategic relationship" talks with Hilbert. That would be an interesting level of thinking going on if it were the case.
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Post by Bona84 on May 22, 2014 11:40:47 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but playing at FNC costs Bona a lot more money than playing at BCA. I'm pretty sure Bona does not pay any rent to play at Blue Cross, and I think all they pay in Rochester is for staffing and 15% of the ticket sales. I'm pretty sure in Buffalo you have to pay both of the above fees plus a flat fee for playing at FNC. Last time we played a Little Three team in Buffalo it only drew about ~3,900 in attendance. I can't imagine getting more than 5K for a game at FNC, and considering all the costs, it probably wouldn't be worth it. Obviously you wouldn't want to play NU in Rochester again, but if we had to give up one of home games it should be to UB. Way bigger alumni bases in both Buffalo and Rochester. Before I get torn apart for this last idea, why not try playing a game in Erie? I know at first it sounds crazy, but it would be much easier to get a team like Pitt, WVU, Ohio St, Cincy, Clev. St., Akron, Toledo, Kent St to play in Erie being that it's a much closer destination. They have a brand new arena which use to have a capacity of ~6,700, but with renovations it looks like it could hold over 7K, which shouldn't be a problem. I know the Erie area isn't as big of an alumni base as Buffalo-Roc-Syr, but when you factor in that Erie is less than two hrs from Bona, Buffalo, Cleveland and Pittsburgh, that would mean you could tap into roughly the 4,000 alums that are in a two-hour area. It would probably be a long shot, but I know Bona admissions is looking to grow student enrollment it the eastern Ohio and western PA area, so it might be an attractive location. Sorry, I missed a few posts yesterday. I have hosted events at similar venues so I am aware of the costs for small, medium, and large facilities and the various fees and billing structures used. I have actually thought about Erie in the past. The Erie Insurance Arena renovations and new suites would make for a good venue. However, the drawback is the competition with the Bayhawks. I do not believe selling a Big-5 on playing there would be an easy sell. However, it may be a game a team like Cleveland State would be willing to take, as long as SBU were hosting and assuming the risk. Playing a double header with Gannon/Mercyhurst opening the event would be an option too since it likely wouldn't impact day rates for the facility and it would lead to two regional Catholic schools marketing the event. The nice thing about Erie is that it opens up the ability to sell ticket packages to Jamestown/Warren with games to Erie and Olean which enables ticket sales to be broader and making the efforts worthwhile (marketing for a single game in a new area takes years to establish a reoccurring base enabling you to recoup your marketing investments). The real issue at the heart of all the issues people seem to have has to do with the assumption that it wouldn't be difficult to attract Big-5 programs to a neutral court. That is, indeed, a fallacy. With all that said, I do believe in expanding the foot print of the program and in the strategic plan I have mapped out I have also targeted Erie as a key location. So while I am not opposed to playing in Erie, I think continuing to foster and build the connections to Rochester (and Buffalo) would be in the best interest of the program. I wouldn't mind seeing two games a year in Rochester before expanding to Erie a city I consider the fourth target outside of Olean. What is the Big-5?
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Post by Pinnum on May 22, 2014 12:12:43 GMT -5
Sorry, the Big-5 are the conferences which include the ACC, Big-12, Big Ten, Pac-12, and SEC. These are the conferences that are in the process of being granted autonomy within Division-I.
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Post by Eagle on Jul 2, 2014 22:46:17 GMT -5
November 29 at FNC NU - Bonas CC - UB
The nightcap should be the contest between the two teams with the lowest combined RPI's, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 3:14:57 GMT -5
They should have Bonas in the nightcap as the place will be empty after we play.
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Post by jh on Jul 3, 2014 5:19:41 GMT -5
November 29 at FNC NU - Bonas CC - UB The nightcap should be the contest between the two teams with the lowest combined RPI's, IMO. I hope there is no 'nitecap' - keep these games late afternoon for folks traveling from rochester/olean
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