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Post by bbb on Sept 3, 2015 16:49:01 GMT -5
I don't think my BAC ever went under .02 my whole time at Bonas!
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Post by tastylicks on Sept 3, 2015 18:54:56 GMT -5
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Post by bbb on Sept 4, 2015 3:59:57 GMT -5
It's nothing.
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Post by towniegrad on Sept 4, 2015 14:59:17 GMT -5
Getting him might not be great p.r. For bona! think about it.
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Post by Chuck on Sept 4, 2015 17:24:54 GMT -5
Getting him might not be great p.r. For bona! think about it. Finalist for New York State's Mr. Basketball, 7'3" wingspan, as a freshman he was 2nd in block shots for a Big Ten school. Looks like good PR to me. iuhoosiers.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4450
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Post by jh on Sept 4, 2015 18:18:59 GMT -5
Emmitt Holt's dismissal wasn't a punishment, it was a purchase of political capital for Indiana By Alex Robbins @awrobbins on Sep 2, 2015, 10:14a 27 Sandra Dukes-USA TODAY Sports
When the Indiana Men's Basketball program dismissed Sophomore Emmitt Holt on Monday, it didn't serve any traditional purpose of punishment. Instead, it served the personal interests of the decision makers. Tweet Share on Twitter (13) Share Share on Facebook (28) Pin Pinterest 27 Comments ⋆ Rec Recommend this Post 1 Retribution. Deterrence. Rehabilitation. Incapacitation. The primary purpose of punishment that we choose says a lot about us as a society and as individual punishers. Each of those four legitimate purposes of punishment has a different underlying reason for being administered. Although deterrence, rehabilitation, and incapacitation are all consequential purposes -- meaning they're geared toward what will happen in the future -- they're different in who they protect. Retribution is a deontological approach, which means that the actions of the punisher are based on moral duties. A man commits a burglary. He's arrested and convicted. He will be sentenced, but why and to what extent depends on the theory of punishment to which the judge subscribes. The judge could set a harsh sentence for more than one reason. He might want to be retributive in his punishment, sending the convicted man away for being a bad person who deserves to suffer because he violated the law and is immoral. He might also want to hand down a heavy sentence to deter the individual, and society as a whole, from committing burglaries in the future (the theory being that people will associate the bad behavior with the harsh sentence.) Or he might send him away for a while just to incapacitate him under the theory that society as a whole is safer with this man in jail. The judge might choose a lesser sentence, though, if he sees rehabilitation as the purpose of punishment. He might decide that the man needs to slowly be integrated back into society, and needs a work release program so that he can get a job (so that he won't need to commit burglaries) and needs a support group (so he won't be tempted to commit burglaries). No matter which of these theories you, me, or anyone else subscribes to, there is no denying that one of these purposes underlies every punishment that is ever doled out. And that's what makes it so abundantly clear that what Indiana Basketball did to Emmitt Holt wasn't about punishment. One by one, let's dispel each theory as the underlying purpose of Holt's dismissal. Rehabilitation Holt's dismissal was the equivalent of sending that hypothetical burglar to the Department of Corrections for life. He has no chance of rehabilitation. To me, there are only two ways to look at Holt's behavior. Either 1) he is a college kid and college kids drink, or 2) he has a substance abuse problem. I'll get to theory number one in a moment. But if he has a substance abuse problem, the last answer to his issues was dismissing him from the program. Keeping him in the athletic department, getting him counseling, sending him to meetings, etc., all would have been viable options. So, I'm dismissing that theory quicker than Tom Crean dismissed Holt. Incapacitation The last time I checked, the only single person who Indiana Basketball has recently needed protection from was Kelvin Sampson. Not one of the "thugs" or "bums" that put on the cream and crimson has brought this program to it's knees. As most of you would undoubtedly agree, this program is bigger than any one person, including The General. This dismissal wasn't about protecting the program or any of the other players. Retribution Could fit. But it's not rational. If that's what was behind this, the Hoosiers doled out a $10,000 punishment for a 10-buck crime. I wonder if SPEA or Kelley dismissed any of its students for drinking citations after Little 5. If they did, it's just as irrational. But I bet not. Deterrence It's the only viable purpose for punishment in this case. It wouldn't be about deterring Holt anymore, because -- let's face it -- who cares if he drinks again now? No, it would be about deterring the rest of the program committing a Class C Misdemeanor. But if this really was the theory behind the punishment, then someone really needs to seriously evaluate the competency of the this program's decision makers. Did the dismissals of Perea and Davis deter anyone? Certainly not Emmitt Holt. Why? Because college kids drink now, are going to drink later, and nothing about this dismissal will change much of anything about any Indiana athlete's weekend plans. You are naive if you believe otherwise. In the end, the only thing that Holt's dismissal could deter is Indiana from winning a Big Ten Championship. This wasn't a punishment. It doesn't fit the theories of punishment, unless Tom Crean is channelling the God of the Old Testament, letting Holt be put to his Indiana Basketball death for a petty sin. No, this wasn't punishment. This was a cheap, quick purchase of political capital. After Indiana University President Michael McRobbie put the Athletic Department on notice, blasting the behavior of student-athletes, the department, and specifically two most visible figures, Tom Crean and Fred Glass, had nothing to lose (except size and games) and a lot to gain by getting rid of Holt, the most recent two-time offender. Emmitt Holt was the quasi-guilty, sacrificial lamb for a University department publicly embarrassed by the lambasting from its boss. And make no mistake, Crean also appeased the plenty of fans who thought Holt deserved the boot. Had he kept Holt, they would've called for Crean's head with the type of fervor that would have suggested they'd just watched film from the Syracuse game. But by doing that, Crean cut off his nose to spite his face, because the irony of it is that in temporarily cooling off his seat, he put his job in more danger. Indiana is a worse team now than they were on Sunday. And when this team lines up against Purdue, those same people that wanted Holt booted or Crean fired will come, pitch forks in hand, to demand he be relieved of his duties for not having enough big men. Back to our hypothetic burglar for a moment. What if I told you the judge gave a harsher sentence because he wanted to lock up reelection? Or because his biggest donor made a public comment condemning the defendant? Your feeling on the matter should fall somewhere between being uncomfortable and being disgusted. Now, let me say again: The primary purpose that we choose says a lot about us as a society and as individual punishers. Emmitt Holt's dismissal speaks volumes about the political pressures surrounding Tom Crean and the Indiana Athletic Department.
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Post by bjif on Sept 4, 2015 22:43:22 GMT -5
I'm stickin to my earlier statement that the kid was a scapegoat! He needs a place like Bonas, and he has not done anything different than 98% of this Boards Members have done.
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Post by wgt on Sept 5, 2015 0:07:24 GMT -5
Many have expressed their opinion on Emmitt Holt’s dismissal from Indy. Most seem supportive of Emmitt while some point out their concerns and a few their view that they would not recruit such a player due to his two highly publicized police citations & inferring he has a drinking problem.
As has been pointed out his first citation was for having a BAC of .0.025 while driving at 12:45 am on a Saturday morning on campus. After dropping his friend Devin Davis off & while driving away (with three other passengers in his SUV) the police report states that Davis “jumped” in front of the car for some unexplained reason. The police report concluded that “pedestrian action was the primary cause” of the serious injury to Davis. Holt was charged only for his BAC of 0.025 since he was only 18 at the time. 0.08 is the BAC level for DWI at age 21. I have no idea BUT might Holt have been the designated driver for his 4 occupants? His BAC was representative of having had a single beer or less. Obviously too much by Indy law, but doesn’t make me think he has an issue with abusing alcohol at 12:45 on a Saturday morning.
Following this incident Holt was suspended for two regular season games and Crean said the following in a press release: "thoughts are with Devin and his family." "We will continue to support Devin and Emmitt in every possible way and I know the Hoosier family will come together to rally for these young men,"
At the time Holt’s high school coach Matt Spadoni said: "Without knowing all of the details, no matter what, the basketball coaches here and his teammates pray and hope that Emmitt and his teammates get through this. "We also 100 percent support Emmitt, we know the person he is. He would be the last person involved in something where someone gets hurt."
Emmitt's 2nd offense caused his dismissal as he was cited for illegal possession of alcohol while sitting in the back seat of a parked car in a parking lot of a convenience store. His BAC was not an issue & not cited.
I only know what has been reported and nothing of Holt’s character. Does Emmitt have a problem with alcohol? I have no idea. But I see no evidence of that being the case based on his two citations. I hope he has learned a lesson & will make wiser decisions.
Holt will be playing somewhere & sooner rather than later. I wish him the best and feel the likelihood of future success on and off the court will make his parents proud.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 6:01:27 GMT -5
Getting him might not be great p.r. For bona! think about it. Do you think it is bad PR every time a Catholic has their sins forgiven in the sacrament of confession? None of us are perfect. You always seem to be quick to point out what Bona students are doing wrong. Are some idiots sure , but you want to paint them all with the same brush. Are all "townies" idiots? No, there are many great people living in Olean and Allegany. You should give your anti-Bona student diatribes a rest.
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Post by bigdobber on Sept 5, 2015 18:12:05 GMT -5
Some kids need a change of scenery and coming to a small school might be a good move. I remember Tyler Relph had some issues along the way and things worked out.
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Post by thesocalkid on Sept 5, 2015 19:22:34 GMT -5
Wonder if Denzel has played against him?
I vote on taking a chance and get him. Closer to home so Mom And Dad can visit!
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Post by portpasses on Sept 5, 2015 21:50:23 GMT -5
So, anyone have a clue if Holt would be immediately eligible since he was dismissed from Indiana? Or would he have to sit out the season as a transfer?
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Post by kcSBU03 on Sept 6, 2015 9:45:26 GMT -5
So, anyone have a clue if Holt would be immediately eligible since he was dismissed from Indiana? Or would he have to sit out the season as a transfer? Alex Kline referred to him as an Indiana transfer, whatever that is worth
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Post by Sipowicz on Sept 6, 2015 10:32:21 GMT -5
According to ADAM ZAGORIA of ZAGSBLOG: HOLT's 2 top choices are Toledo & ST. BONAVENTURE.
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Post by Chuck on Sept 6, 2015 10:33:34 GMT -5
So, anyone have a clue if Holt would be immediately eligible since he was dismissed from Indiana? Or would he have to sit out the season as a transfer? I'm almost certain he would have to sit a year. Hanner Mosquera-Perea, was dismissed from Indiana because of marijuana. He transferred to East Tennessee State and has to sit this year. I was wondering about Brett Roseboro, being eligible immediately after transferring from Marquette. Then I realized Brett transferred from Marquette before classes began for his freshman year and his coach said he did not have a problem with Brett playing immediately with the Bonnies. www.etsubucs.com/mbasketball/roster/2015-16/7666/hanner-mosquera-perea/
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