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Post by Pinnum on Dec 8, 2018 10:44:55 GMT -5
In terms of rivalry there is no difference between Siena, Canisius, Niagara, and UB to anyone born after 1980 According to Sports-Reference: Bonnies winning Percentage against team: Buffalo - .833 Siena - .781 Niagara - .657 Canisius - .655 So Buffalo has been the least competitive team against the Bonnies. But as BonaFan08 said, maybe the old historic games don't matter. Which might be a fair point. Let's only look at the last 20 years. Those are the relevant games for the modern fan. Buffalo - .900 (9-1) Siena - .666 (8-4) Canisius - .550 (11-9) Niagara - .500 (10-10) So Buffalo is, again, the least competitive program with the Bonnies. The only people who think this is a rivalry are the ones that see all of the UB marketing and read the Buffalo News. Those two entities sell the concept because it helps both of them. They want it to be a rivalry so they really push that narrative. The same with the blogger who comes on here and goes on the UB forum to push that narrative.
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Post by u518370 on Dec 8, 2018 10:54:40 GMT -5
Why the resistance to considering UB a rivalry? To me, it's doesn't have to be any more complicated than we play them every year and they are 90 miles away. My son is a freshman at Bonas and has several high school friends that go to UB - which makes this a big afternoon for him in terms of bragging rights.
Niagara, Canisus and Siena obviously have more in common (smaller, private, faith based, etc.) - but that is what makes UB unique among the teams we play every year. They are the big state school. We are the small, private school. A little bit (on a smaller scale) like Vandy-Tennessee, Providence-RI, etc.
To me, the more rivalries the better. They give both fan bases a reason to be fired up for the game - even if it's otherwise relatively meaningless.
Go Bonnies!
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Post by Pinnum on Dec 8, 2018 11:02:48 GMT -5
Why the resistance to considering UB a rivalry? To me, it's doesn't have to be any more complicated than we play them every year and they are 90 miles away. My son is a freshman at Bonas and has several high school friends that go to UB - which makes this a big afternoon for him in terms of bragging rights. By that logic, Syracuse is rivals with Colgate and Cornell since they play them every year and they are local schools.
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Post by bonaman2013 on Dec 8, 2018 11:20:33 GMT -5
Please don’t act like we ever dominate UB. Most all of our games with them are single-digit games. If Syracuse played at Colgate every year, and if they were ever decent, it would probably be more of a rivalry.
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Post by u518370 on Dec 8, 2018 11:22:40 GMT -5
Why the resistance to considering UB a rivalry? To me, it's doesn't have to be any more complicated than we play them every year and they are 90 miles away. My son is a freshman at Bonas and has several high school friends that go to UB - which makes this a big afternoon for him in terms of bragging rights. By that logic, Syracuse is rivals with Colgate and Cornell since they play them every year and they are local schools. Sure. Not all rivalries are created equal. Ultimately, it's just a label. It's subjective...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 12:08:54 GMT -5
This conversation/debate has lasted longer than it should.
End of the day I always want to win. I didn’t give two shits about Ub until their 10s of fans started piping up with baseless claims about how great they are with a clear disregard for the obvious holes in their rhetoric.
I’m tired of them and they annoy me. I want to thump them so I can remind myself why I don’t traditionally give a shit about them.
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Post by bigcat on Dec 8, 2018 12:43:37 GMT -5
Bottom line is UB is damn good. It would be a great win for this group. Just hoping we don’t miss LDG — and that our young guns don’t wet themselves in front of 5400. Let’s compete for 40 minutes and build on this game.
Ok to hate ‘em but give UB some respect. Doesn’t matter how many fans they have. Most MAC teams draw peanuts at their home games other than Ohio and Akron when they were rolling. Doesn’t mean they suck. Just means there’s little b-ball tradition or culture... and way more NHL and NFL fans than Bulls fans. It’s a tough sell.
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Post by proudbonnie89 on Dec 8, 2018 12:48:10 GMT -5
This conversation/debate has lasted longer than it should. Agreed! They are one of our top opponents every year these days and they have a home and home with us. Don't care what we call it, but it has turned into one of the most anticipated OOC games of the year every year. Go Bonnies!
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Post by class70 on Dec 8, 2018 12:56:23 GMT -5
By that logic, Syracuse is rivals with Colgate and Cornell since they play them every year and they are local schools. Sure. Not all rivalries are created equal. Ultimately, it's just a label. It's subjective... Speaking of that, Colgate and Syracuse were rather intense football rivals at one time. Apparently, all the modern characteristics of small, highly selective school vs. major sports factory were in play way back then. My mother, who came of age during the Depression, shared the apocryphal stories of how Colgate players would catch the train from NY and convince those big, dumb athletes bound for SU that Hamilton, NY was the stop for the Orangemen. When they got off the train they would learn that they had just been drafted by Colgate. It was bs, I'm sure, but I actually attended a game in the waning days of the series: it was 1961 and Colgate stunned the crowd at Archbold Stadium by taking an early 8-0 lead. Read about that rivalry here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colgate–Syracuse_football_rivalryP.S. Army-Navy is today. Now THAT is a rivalry.
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Post by sbu79 on Dec 8, 2018 13:16:32 GMT -5
In terms of rivalry there is no difference between Siena, Canisius, Niagara, and UB to anyone born after 1980 The three Catholics, in addition to being Catholic, have each beat Bonas in the last three years. They have been more competitive series not just historically but even recently. So, based on this recent loss criterion, we could be rivals come 6:30pm today?
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Post by Gino72 on Dec 8, 2018 13:44:12 GMT -5
I voted No! The Big 4 is a marketing ploy. This is certainly a big game since we are playing a ranked team, but I will never view UB as a rival.
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Post by thebonafan08 on Dec 8, 2018 21:57:35 GMT -5
In terms of rivalry there is no difference between Siena, Canisius, Niagara, and UB to anyone born after 1980 According to Sports-Reference: Bonnies winning Percentage against team: Buffalo - .833 Siena - .781 Niagara - .657 Canisius - .655 So Buffalo has been the least competitive team against the Bonnies. But as BonaFan08 said, maybe the old historic games don't matter. Which might be a fair point. Let's only look at the last 20 years. Those are the relevant games for the modern fan. Buffalo - .900 (9-1) Siena - .666 (8-4) Canisius - .550 (11-9) Niagara - .500 (10-10) So Buffalo is, again, the least competitive program with the Bonnies. The only people who think this is a rivalry are the ones that see all of the UB marketing and read the Buffalo News. Those two entities sell the concept because it helps both of them. They want it to be a rivalry so they really push that narrative. The same with the blogger who comes on here and goes on the UB forum to push that narrative. Pinnum that’s cute. Going back to reality....more Bona fans cared about this game than Canisius, siena, Niagara over the past theee years combined. Also we got smoked today so stop. Check out the attendance. You tend to get caught up on a stat or two or obsessive research in what amounts to nothing and never back down. I live in reality. Go Bonas.
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Post by tenthmountainbonnie on Dec 8, 2018 22:08:27 GMT -5
I will say, I did care about this game WAY more than Canisius and Niagara. Even when I was attending Bonas 2010-14, I cared about this game more. Mostly because I have so many friends from my hometown than went to UB. I can’t name one person that I went to high school with that went on to Canisius or Niagara. UB I can name least a dozen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 22:59:34 GMT -5
So they dominated us today. WHO CARES.
They are an experienced very very good team laden with seniors. We are a young team with a VERY bright future.
I’m looking ahead. I don’t waste my time on rebuilding year losses to the top team in the MAC.
Let’s revisit this debate next year when we play again,
Go Bonas.
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Post by mikeryan79 on Dec 9, 2018 21:22:19 GMT -5
I'm not sure if UB is a rivalry or not.
I live in Charlotte NC and some folks at Davidson view the Bonnies as a rival.
Even though Davidson has only be in the A10 a few years, what do you think?
Davidson has really done a nice job in the A10 since they joined and like Bonaventure it is a small faith based school.
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