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Post by Pinnum on Dec 10, 2018 13:23:34 GMT -5
We can argue semantics of rivalry all we want. We fight recruiting battles with UB all the time. They are close by and have been a decent program recently. Whatever criteria you want to use is up to you but they are quickly becoming a rival if they arent already. I would actually be curious to learn who we fight recruiting battles with the most. Looking at VerbalCommits HS SR lists for each team's recruits: It looks like we bump up against UMass more than anyone else by far. Next in line would probably be Penn State, Rutgers, and DePaul. Buffalo seems to hardly ever happen and is really only for local guys. Buffalo seems to recruit against FGCU the most followed by Cal State Fullerton, Iona, and interestingly enough, UMass.
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Post by bigcat on Dec 10, 2018 13:47:11 GMT -5
Can you name the last time Siena, Niagara or Canisius played in front of a sold out crowd especially at the RC? Our home opener to the most anticipated season in decades againstNiagara last year did not sell out because no one cared about the “rivalry” I don’t know about you or other people living in the past but next year if we only beat one team I want it to be an Oats coached UB by 50. A rival is a team that is more significant than their record or ranking. If Buffalo were 3-5 this year, do you think it would have been a big game that sold out? No. Of course, not. Siena, Niagara, and Cansius are significantly bigger games than their rankings and records. The team's standing nationally has had little correlation to the end result of those games, even in recent years. That is a sign of a rivalry. The Buffalo game is big because they are a ranked opponent. Chicago State could come in ranked and the RC would sell out. You're annoyed by Buffalo because of all the talk about them overtaking Bonas as they brag about getting into the NCAA tournament thanks to winning the MAC. But they have gotten into the NCAA tournament ranked as low as #138 by KenPom simply because they were the best team in the MAC. Those are just bandwagon fans that haven't ever followed Buffalo talking. Those people will lose interest and won't follow Buffalo when Oats is hired away. No one will be talking about the series. The same is true of Bonas and Syracuse. I have no doubt that Syracuse fans were really annoyed by the Bonnies fans at the dome last year. They might have even said "If we only beat one team next year, I hope it is Bonaventure and their obnoxious fans." But that doesn't mean we are rivals. We are not rivals with Syracuse. Big4Blogger and the Buffalo News will try to hype it up to get clicks. They want it to become a rivalry so people are worked up about it and it will get them traffic. They want Buffalo to be a big time sports program so that football and basketball generates clicks from people outside the local area. But we know they can't afford to keep their coaches. They can't make a play to build on the football success and the basketball success. And football is the program UB is going to be committed to when they have to decide. Oates’ base salary is 600k from what I’ve read. How does that compare with Schmidt? You make good points but I don’t understand the one about UB not being able to keep their coaches. If Schmidt got an offer from Ariz State he’d be gone in 20 seconds.
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Post by jay3hof on Dec 10, 2018 14:02:28 GMT -5
UB up to #14 in the AP Poll and #15 in USA Today/Coaches Poll.....pretty freaking good, I hope we can be a rival with them, it's good for both of us if we can do a home and home with them each year.
Oats makes 600k with I'm assuming some really nice bonuses, and as for Schmidt, he is close to 800k from what I've heard, and he would jump ship if he ever got offered a P5 job anywhere, but I'm pretty sure he is right at the level he wants to be at and probably comfortable at, and he also hasn't ever been offered a P5 job, so it's a mute point and never will
The big test for this UB team is how they handle all of this success, its all fairly new to them, we will see with this next stretch of games. Southern Illinois, Marquette, and Cuse....I'm sure they are figuring 2-1, but champions always take it 1 game at a time.
Wonder if UB ever recruited Ikpeze or Welch?
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Post by Pinnum on Dec 10, 2018 15:06:23 GMT -5
Oates’ base salary is 600k from what I’ve read. How does that compare with Schmidt? You make good points but I don’t understand the one about UB not being able to keep their coaches. If Schmidt got an offer from Ariz State he’d be gone in 20 seconds. It's more than that. Buffalo is paying Oats more than any MAC program. He is making substantially more than the median in the conference. Nearly double. That doesn't leave much room for growth and Buffalo doesn't have a lot of money. UB's football field house was going to be delayed due to not enough money getting raised so they cut sports from their athletic department to cover the funding shortfall so the football program wouldn't be delayed. That is one of the biggest issues Buffalo has. Their football program had a great year this year. But their coach is underpaid. He makes $400k so they will have to come up with money to keep him as well. They are stuck in the MAC with no avenue to get out of it. Their TV rights are non-existent and they are in the Bills and Sabres shadow. UB has two competing factions that want to see rapid growth--football and basketball--and when one gets what they want it means the other can't. There just isn't enough to go around. It's part of the reason the basketball team has to play a non-D1 game every year. The A10 especially but also Bonas does give more. Not only in salary but in exposure, access to the national tournament, and everywhere but UMass, basketball is the flagship sport so even if coaches don't get everything they want, they know the school is focused on taking care of them. Motivated coaches don't only move on for money (though that happens a lot). If Binghamton, as a non-football school, had Buffalo's basketball team, I think they would have a better chance of retaining the staff simply because they are not a football school. Even with all of the other road blocks in place.
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Post by thebonafan08 on Dec 10, 2018 15:21:28 GMT -5
We can argue semantics of rivalry all we want. We fight recruiting battles with UB all the time. They are close by and have been a decent program recently. Whatever criteria you want to use is up to you but they are quickly becoming a rival if they arent already. I would actually be curious to learn who we fight recruiting battles with the most. Looking at VerbalCommits HS SR lists for each team's recruits: It looks like we bump up against UMass more than anyone else by far. Next in line would probably be Penn State, Rutgers, and DePaul. Buffalo seems to hardly ever happen and is really only for local guys. Buffalo seems to recruit against FGCU the most followed by Cal State Fullerton, Iona, and interestingly enough, UMass. Haha you never stop with the random research that truly has nothing to do with an argument or turns the debate into something else. Stop arguing semantics. Look at the passion between both fan bases right now and tell me it’s not a rivalry.....Cue post from New England Journal of Medicine with a study on passion after sporting events.
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Post by agoo on Dec 10, 2018 15:46:23 GMT -5
Is there a measure by which we would not want UB to be a rival? Proximity, history, and playing annually are some measures of who rivals are (see the discussion considering Davidson to be a rival). We can check two of the three easily.
UB has been in the tournament three of the last four years, destroyed Arizona last year, and were competitive in the 12-5 and 14-3 games prior to that. They seem to be in on a lot of the local talent we're looking at. And they're ranked.
Why don't we want to consider these guys rivals and why shouldn't we want them to consider us to be rivals? Its a game that should be competitive annually, where as Canisius, Niagara, and Siena should be blow-outs for us if we're where we think we are in the A-10 vs. teams that are where we think they are in the MAAC.
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Post by ubbulls on Dec 10, 2018 20:28:11 GMT -5
I voted no. I don’t believe we are or should be rivals with any SUNY schools. We have nothing in common. If the city of Buffalo cared about UB it might be different though The city doesn't care? Not based on last seasons Buffalo media market ratings for games, per the Buffalo News: 14.7 - UB vs Kentucky CBS (Peaked at 17.2 by game end) 11.5 - UB vs Arizona CBS (Peaked at 14.2 at 11:15PM) 7.9 - Syracuse vs Duke CBS 7.8 - Syracuse vs Michigan St CBS 7.5 - Michigan vs Loyola TBS 7.4 - Villanova vs Michigan Nat'l Champ TBS 6.7 - UB women vs South Carolina ESPN 6.2 - Vilanova vs Kansas TBS 5.1 - St Bonaventure vs UCLA TruTV 4.5 - St Bonaventure vs Florida TruTV 4.0 - UB women vs Florida ESPN2 2.6 - Notre Dame vs Mississippi St Nat'l Champ ESPN 2.3 - UB women vs South Florida ESPN2 UB's past NCAA games also drew double-digit ratings. Bona's and Niagara's 1st round games in the past years drew below 7.0's.
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Post by tastylicks on Dec 10, 2018 21:59:44 GMT -5
Cool. and I'm supposed to care?? ?? ??
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Post by thebonafan08 on Dec 11, 2018 0:06:17 GMT -5
I voted no. I don’t believe we are or should be rivals with any SUNY schools. We have nothing in common. If the city of Buffalo cared about UB it might be different though The city doesn't care? Not based on last seasons Buffalo media market ratings for games, per the Buffalo News: 14.7 - UB vs Kentucky CBS (Peaked at 17.2 by game end) 11.5 - UB vs Arizona CBS (Peaked at 14.2 at 11:15PM) 7.9 - Syracuse vs Duke CBS 7.8 - Syracuse vs Michigan St CBS 7.5 - Michigan vs Loyola TBS 7.4 - Villanova vs Michigan Nat'l Champ TBS 6.7 - UB women vs South Carolina ESPN 6.2 - Vilanova vs Kansas TBS 5.1 - St Bonaventure vs UCLA TruTV 4.5 - St Bonaventure vs Florida TruTV 4.0 - UB women vs Florida ESPN2 2.6 - Notre Dame vs Mississippi St Nat'l Champ ESPN 2.3 - UB women vs South Florida ESPN2 UB's past NCAA games also drew double-digit ratings. Bona's and Niagara's 1st round games in the past years drew below 7.0's. I think it’s a rivalry because rental fans above are still begging for Bonnies approval as a legit basketball program 3 days later. Congrats you won. 3-10 all time record. Keep winning and make WNY look good. See you next year and beat cuse.
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Post by Jive36 on Dec 11, 2018 8:48:35 GMT -5
I voted no. I don’t believe we are or should be rivals with any SUNY schools. We have nothing in common. If the city of Buffalo cared about UB it might be different though The city doesn't care? Not based on last seasons Buffalo media market ratings for games, per the Buffalo News: 14.7 - UB vs Kentucky CBS (Peaked at 17.2 by game end) 11.5 - UB vs Arizona CBS (Peaked at 14.2 at 11:15PM) 7.9 - Syracuse vs Duke CBS 7.8 - Syracuse vs Michigan St CBS 7.5 - Michigan vs Loyola TBS 7.4 - Villanova vs Michigan Nat'l Champ TBS 6.7 - UB women vs South Carolina ESPN 6.2 - Vilanova vs Kansas TBS 5.1 - St Bonaventure vs UCLA TruTV 4.5 - St Bonaventure vs Florida TruTV 4.0 - UB women vs Florida ESPN2 2.6 - Notre Dame vs Mississippi St Nat'l Champ ESPN 2.3 - UB women vs South Florida ESPN2 UB's past NCAA games also drew double-digit ratings. Bona's and Niagara's 1st round games in the past years drew below 7.0's. Lets use CBS ratings and compare to TruTV ratings to make a point because those are comparable straight up. Can I link back to the infinite posts from this board of people trying to figure out if they get TruTV, what channel it is and if they can stream it somehow because they don't get it. Bet that wasn't an issue with the CBS games.
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Post by kcSBU03 on Dec 11, 2018 9:06:17 GMT -5
I voted no. I don’t believe we are or should be rivals with any SUNY schools. We have nothing in common. If the city of Buffalo cared about UB it might be different though The city doesn't care? Not based on last seasons Buffalo media market ratings for games, per the Buffalo News: 14.7 - UB vs Kentucky CBS (Peaked at 17.2 by game end) 11.5 - UB vs Arizona CBS (Peaked at 14.2 at 11:15PM) 7.9 - Syracuse vs Duke CBS 7.8 - Syracuse vs Michigan St CBS 7.5 - Michigan vs Loyola TBS 7.4 - Villanova vs Michigan Nat'l Champ TBS 6.7 - UB women vs South Carolina ESPN 6.2 - Vilanova vs Kansas TBS 5.1 - St Bonaventure vs UCLA TruTV 4.5 - St Bonaventure vs Florida TruTV 4.0 - UB women vs Florida ESPN2 2.6 - Notre Dame vs Mississippi St Nat'l Champ ESPN 2.3 - UB women vs South Florida ESPN2 UB's past NCAA games also drew double-digit ratings. Bona's and Niagara's 1st round games in the past years drew below 7.0's. All that proves is bandwagon people watched important games. People watch the NCAA tournament and if there is a local team in it they will watch. This isnt news. Care to share the ratings for a mid january game against Central Michigan? Lets just tell it like it is. I have been to your arena for every game since this series started up 10 or so years ago. The crowds are sparce and quiet. The student section has been non existent and the 2-3 sections of Bona fans have been louder than anyone else in the building. Right now, you have the hype and ranking so that draws out the johnny come lately folks but that wont last. You can cite ratings for big games but they dont mean squat. I wonder how the Super Bowl drew in Philly last year? Buffalo itself is not a college sports town. I know many people there and worked downtown for 4 years. They dont care.
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Post by agoo on Dec 11, 2018 9:54:08 GMT -5
We're really having a pissing match with UB fans because a team that's good, considers us to also be good and a rival?
But we're better than them because we were good at D-1 basketball in the 60s?
Why are we so insecure about our status?
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Post by spils84 on Dec 11, 2018 11:31:25 GMT -5
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Post by diehard on Dec 11, 2018 12:31:14 GMT -5
I voted "Yes" because UB is a relatively local program to us, they are a decent game on the schedule, and they are trying to do what we are, win! So it is not a long-standing rivalry but rather a fledgling one...great! Maybe if there was a Big 4 Trophy, we could officially make it a rivalry then?
I look forward to many years of continued Bona-UB games.
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Post by jjjacks17 on Dec 11, 2018 13:35:53 GMT -5
Since we’re talking tv rating now, I wonder how our NCCAA game against FSU drew since that one was on CBS albeit at noon. Also kinda wonder if this UB guy even realizes we made the tourney that year since he probably wasn’t following the UB program back then
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