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Post by Pinnum on Dec 9, 2018 21:25:08 GMT -5
I'm not sure if UB is a rivalry or not.
I live in Charlotte NC and some folks at Davidson view the Bonnies as a rival. Even though Davidson has only be in the A10 a few years, what do you think? Davidson has really done a nice job in the A10 since they joined and like Bonaventure it is a small faith based school.
I consider Davidson a rival. Since they joined the A10, We’ve traded wins and spoiled each other’s seasons.
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Post by mikeryan79 on Dec 9, 2018 21:30:28 GMT -5
Good point Pinnum.
Bonnies and Davidson have had some dandy games over the past few years.
Saw Davidson and UNCC play a couple weeks ago. Grady and Jon Axel looked good. They will be a tough opponent for our Bonnies this year.
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Post by Pinnum on Dec 9, 2018 21:38:33 GMT -5
According to Sports-Reference: Bonnies winning Percentage against team: Buffalo - .833 Siena - .781 Niagara - .657 Canisius - .655 So Buffalo has been the least competitive team against the Bonnies. But as BonaFan08 said, maybe the old historic games don't matter. Which might be a fair point. Let's only look at the last 20 years. Those are the relevant games for the modern fan. Buffalo - .900 (9-1) Siena - .666 (8-4) Canisius - .550 (11-9) Niagara - .500 (10-10) So Buffalo is, again, the least competitive program with the Bonnies. The only people who think this is a rivalry are the ones that see all of the UB marketing and read the Buffalo News. Those two entities sell the concept because it helps both of them. They want it to be a rivalry so they really push that narrative. The same with the blogger who comes on here and goes on the UB forum to push that narrative. Pinnum that’s cute. Going back to reality....more Bona fans cared about this game than Canisius, siena, Niagara over the past theee years combined. Also we got smoked today so stop. Check out the attendance. You tend to get caught up on a stat or two or obsessive research in what amounts to nothing and never back down. I live in reality. Go Bonas. Can you name a ranked opponent, especially one played at the RC, that hasn’t had significant hype? It is the ranking that makes the game significant. You know the ‘I had friends who went to UB’ doesn’t mean much to a large percentage of Bonas stakeholders since Bonas is a school that recruits nationally. As a private school, the geographic makeup of the student body is different. But students do consider Niagara , Canisius, and Siena who consider Bonas.
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Post by bullrun on Dec 9, 2018 21:57:48 GMT -5
In terms of rivalry there is no difference between Siena, Canisius, Niagara, and UB to anyone born after 1980 According to Sports-Reference: Bonnies winning Percentage against team: Buffalo - .833 Siena - .781 Niagara - .657 Canisius - .655 So Buffalo has been the least competitive team against the Bonnies. But as BonaFan08 said, maybe the old historic games don't matter. Which might be a fair point. Let's only look at the last 20 years. Those are the relevant games for the modern fan. Buffalo - .900 (9-1) Siena - .666 (8-4) Canisius - .550 (11-9) Niagara - .500 (10-10) So Buffalo is, again, the least competitive program with the Bonnies. The only people who think this is a rivalry are the ones that see all of the UB marketing and read the Buffalo News. Those two entities sell the concept because it helps both of them. They want it to be a rivalry so they really push that narrative. The same with the blogger who comes on here and goes on the UB forum to push that narrative. Buffalo Hoops was DIII until the mid 90's where as The Griffs and NU were playing some of their best ball ever in D1 in the 70's and 80's. You really cant compare the samples of all three schools together without making note of that. 20 Years ago UB still was *just* getting their first D1 class through and were still not in the MAC. All I want to do is say who was this board talking about most in the off season? Canisius, Niagara, or Buffalo?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 22:24:28 GMT -5
I definitely consider Davidson a rival now. The players seem to get up a little extra for it. There are so many Bona alum in Charlotte who attend the games at Davidson that it creates a great game environment with lots of fans of both teams mixed together.
Being at both games last year myself, it objectively sure had that feeling. The first game the 2 schools played since Davidson joined ended in a coast to coast buzzer beater by Posley, the only loss Davidson had on their home floor that year.
Of course then there’s the 2016 A10 quarterfinal overtime upset, and last year’s 3 OT all-time thriller in the RC.
Couple that with both being in the group of the 5 smallest division 1 schools in the nation and, bang. Lot of recipe for a contemporary rivalry there.
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Post by Hermit on Dec 9, 2018 23:00:12 GMT -5
I definitely consider Davidson a rival now. The players seem to get up a little extra for it. There are so many Bona alum in Charlotte who attend the games at Davidson that it creates a great game environment with lots of fans of both teams mixed together. Being at both games last year myself, it objectively sure had that feeling. The first game the 2 schools played since Davidson joined ended in a coast to coast buzzer beater by Posley, the only loss Davidson had on their home floor that year. Of course then there’s the 2016 A10 quarterfinal overtime upset, and last year’s 3 OT all-time thriller in the RC. Couple that with both being in the group of the 5 smallest division 1 schools in the nation and, bang. Lot of recipe for a contemporary rivalry there. I have to ask......does Syracuse think we are a rival??
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Post by Mike_B on Dec 9, 2018 23:33:42 GMT -5
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Post by firstdev on Dec 10, 2018 8:09:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure if UB is a rivalry or not.
I live in Charlotte NC and some folks at Davidson view the Bonnies as a rival. Even though Davidson has only be in the A10 a few years, what do you think? Davidson has really done a nice job in the A10 since they joined and like Bonaventure it is a small faith based school.
UB is a rival, but is not on the same hollowed ground as the Golden Griffs (our all time and ageless rival) or the Purple Eagles (as a close second) - both small Catholic institutions. UB has become more of a rival as the Big Four has come into prominence in recent years, and the UB program has improved. Part of the fun of the rivalry is when UB is having a good season, and we play them and beat them - its especially sweet because of the size and resources differntials - UB the massive state run university without a soul, Bonas the Franciscan run small D1 program, always the underdog, with a soul as large as the UB fieldhouse.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 8:11:45 GMT -5
I definitely consider Davidson a rival now. The players seem to get up a little extra for it. There are so many Bona alum in Charlotte who attend the games at Davidson that it creates a great game environment with lots of fans of both teams mixed together. Being at both games last year myself, it objectively sure had that feeling. The first game the 2 schools played since Davidson joined ended in a coast to coast buzzer beater by Posley, the only loss Davidson had on their home floor that year. Of course then there’s the 2016 A10 quarterfinal overtime upset, and last year’s 3 OT all-time thriller in the RC. Couple that with both being in the group of the 5 smallest division 1 schools in the nation and, bang. Lot of recipe for a contemporary rivalry there. I have to ask......does Syracuse think we are a rival?? Defintely not
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Post by thebonafan08 on Dec 10, 2018 11:08:03 GMT -5
Pinnum that’s cute. Going back to reality....more Bona fans cared about this game than Canisius, siena, Niagara over the past theee years combined. Also we got smoked today so stop. Check out the attendance. You tend to get caught up on a stat or two or obsessive research in what amounts to nothing and never back down. I live in reality. Go Bonas. Can you name a ranked opponent, especially one played at the RC, that hasn’t had significant hype? It is the ranking that makes the game significant. You know the ‘I had friends who went to UB’ doesn’t mean much to a large percentage of Bonas stakeholders since Bonas is a school that recruits nationally. As a private school, the geographic makeup of the student body is different. But students do consider Niagara , Canisius, and Siena who consider Bonas. Can you name the last time Siena, Niagara or Canisius played in front of a sold out crowd especially at the RC? Our home opener to the most anticipated season in decades againstNiagara last year did not sell out because no one cared about the “rivalry” I don’t know about you or other people living in the past but next year if we only beat one team I want it to be an Oats coached UB by 50.
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Post by Sipowicz on Dec 10, 2018 11:19:21 GMT -5
Were Siena, Niagara, or Canisius ranked when they came to the RC? Lets not confuse rivalry with ranking.
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Post by Pinnum on Dec 10, 2018 11:36:36 GMT -5
Can you name a ranked opponent, especially one played at the RC, that hasn’t had significant hype? It is the ranking that makes the game significant. You know the ‘I had friends who went to UB’ doesn’t mean much to a large percentage of Bonas stakeholders since Bonas is a school that recruits nationally. As a private school, the geographic makeup of the student body is different. But students do consider Niagara , Canisius, and Siena who consider Bonas. Can you name the last time Siena, Niagara or Canisius played in front of a sold out crowd especially at the RC? Our home opener to the most anticipated season in decades againstNiagara last year did not sell out because no one cared about the “rivalry” I don’t know about you or other people living in the past but next year if we only beat one team I want it to be an Oats coached UB by 50. A rival is a team that is more significant than their record or ranking. If Buffalo were 3-5 this year, do you think it would have been a big game that sold out? No. Of course, not. Siena, Niagara, and Cansius are significantly bigger games than their rankings and records. The team's standing nationally has had little correlation to the end result of those games, even in recent years. That is a sign of a rivalry. The Buffalo game is big because they are a ranked opponent. Chicago State could come in ranked and the RC would sell out. You're annoyed by Buffalo because of all the talk about them overtaking Bonas as they brag about getting into the NCAA tournament thanks to winning the MAC. But they have gotten into the NCAA tournament ranked as low as #138 by KenPom simply because they were the best team in the MAC. Those are just bandwagon fans that haven't ever followed Buffalo talking. Those people will lose interest and won't follow Buffalo when Oats is hired away. No one will be talking about the series. The same is true of Bonas and Syracuse. I have no doubt that Syracuse fans were really annoyed by the Bonnies fans at the dome last year. They might have even said "If we only beat one team next year, I hope it is Bonaventure and their obnoxious fans." But that doesn't mean we are rivals. We are not rivals with Syracuse. Big4Blogger and the Buffalo News will try to hype it up to get clicks. They want it to become a rivalry so people are worked up about it and it will get them traffic. They want Buffalo to be a big time sports program so that football and basketball generates clicks from people outside the local area. But we know they can't afford to keep their coaches. They can't make a play to build on the football success and the basketball success. And football is the program UB is going to be committed to when they have to decide.
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Post by thebonafan08 on Dec 10, 2018 11:46:47 GMT -5
Were Siena, Niagara, or Canisius ranked when they came to the RC? Lets not confuse rivalry with ranking. I am just asking Pinnum to answer the same question he asked me for his view point. We can define rivalry as whatever we want but when you go to a Canisius or a Niagara game and can’t tell the difference by attendance between one of those games and a game against Who cares central tech State. What’s the point? All I am saying is that for people not born Before 1980 UB has had the same significance as Niagara, Canisius, and Siena. Now that UB has decided to care about basketball and they have a child of a coach who trolls us online who has paid players to get to top 25 I am more intrigued and want to beat UB more than any other regional school. Add in their rent-a-fan base showing up on the wagon still two days later fuels the fire. You guys can have Niagara and Canisius there are plenty of seats for those games next year. I will take the tickets for UB.
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Post by kcSBU03 on Dec 10, 2018 11:59:15 GMT -5
We can argue semantics of rivalry all we want. We fight recruiting battles with UB all the time. They are close by and have been a decent program recently. Whatever criteria you want to use is up to you but they are quickly becoming a rival if they arent already.
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Post by jjjacks17 on Dec 10, 2018 12:25:40 GMT -5
NU, Siena, and CC are becoming more a friendly rivalry. For the most part things stay civil between our fans and theirs. When we’re not playing those programs I will root for them. But when it comes to UB both fans bases get super triggered. People trolling on the internet all over. It’s the same way with us and Cuse. It’s the fight to be the superior team in WNY that fires everyone up. Then when it comes to cuse it’s fighting to be the best program in the state.
If you define a rival as a team that I want to lose least to then our biggest rivals are easily Cuse and UB. Losing to NU, CC, or Siena sucks and it’s extremely frustrating when it happens because it should NEVER happen. We’re so many steps ahead of those MAAC programs. If we lose to UB my blood is literally boiling. It’s not out of jealousy, it’s just because I want to be the best in WNY and when we lose we have to have UB fans trolling us and running it in our faces. I won’t get that upset losing to anyone in the A10
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