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Post by Dunga on Mar 14, 2016 8:56:00 GMT -5
I understand this argument but what can Bona do? No one will come to Olean or Rochester for that matter. No one wants us in an exempt tournament. The system is rigged against us. I suppose we can play as many games on the road as possibly win 17 out of 23 lets say and then ...oh wait Monmouth did that and look where they are. That isn't true... Monmouth did go out/ play the big boys..... the problem was the following: Gtwon/UCLA were down this year....../ even more so their conference is not good. SBU needs to go out and play bigger schools away. They have to do it.... This not only an SBU issue but an a10 issue.... the conference itself needs to schedule better. Its up to our AD/the coach to fix this problem. They need to push and push to play bigger. You can't continue to play one middle of the road power 5 and then the rest small level schools. I think we got screwed, but these things always happen.... You can't go back/ do the same thing/ hope for a different result... that is insane... you need to try to fix it up.... I am eager to see what the AD/Coach do about our scheduling.... Eliminate game like these.... Loyola - 257 RPI Binghampton - 301 RPI South Caroline State - 205 RPI We need to do this, but as I stated earlier its up to the a10 to follow and to improve on their scheduling... Look at the Pac 12.... great job of scheduling.... People were saying its good for Fordham to pile up wins.. helps the conference... sure, but not when the teams stink... it does nothing... What we need is to play in an exempt tournament. More games = more potential wins. Also better SOS playing P5 teams. Schmidt once referenced he did not like these tournaments, but that needs to change. It is the formula for Dayton, VCU, etc. It's hard to win on the road at places like Syracuse and Pitt and Vandy. Invariably you will get hosed by the refs if you're up with ten minutes to play in the second half.
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Post by Dunga on Mar 14, 2016 9:02:09 GMT -5
Just got back from Brooklyn after a long train trip and drive....so here are my impressions: ... + Horrible Officiating - we needed to win at least one game at our tournament and did not. The Davidson loss was largely, but not exclusively due to horrendous officiating. I can honestly state that I have not seen such a poorly officiated game in at least twenty years, maybe longer. Even the Davidson fans told me after the game that the officiating was just "unbelievable". We win the game, we dance. The officials dictated the game in the last ten minutes, calling touch fouls on Bonas, and letting Posley and Wright get hammered underneath without foul calls. Very disturbing. Hopefully the A10 does an after action report on this crew and sanctions them - they were bad. ... I too thought the officiating was bad. It makes me wonder just how corrupt it all is. Would the VCU game have been a play in? In an interview with the committee chair, he stated that if Memphis had won the AAC, then VCU would have been moved to the last in line.
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Post by thebonafan08 on Mar 14, 2016 9:11:14 GMT -5
I understand this argument but what can Bona do? No one will come to Olean or Rochester for that matter. No one wants us in an exempt tournament. The system is rigged against us. I suppose we can play as many games on the road as possibly win 17 out of 23 lets say and then ...oh wait Monmouth did that and look where they are. That isn't true... Monmouth did go out/ play the big boys..... the problem was the following: Gtwon/UCLA were down this year....../ even more so their conference is not good. SBU needs to go out and play bigger schools away. They have to do it.... This not only an SBU issue but an a10 issue.... the conference itself needs to schedule better. Its up to our AD/the coach to fix this problem. They need to push and push to play bigger. You can't continue to play one middle of the road power 5 and then the rest small level schools. I think we got screwed, but these things always happen.... You can't go back/ do the same thing/ hope for a different result... that is insane... you need to try to fix it up.... I am eager to see what the AD/Coach do about our scheduling.... Eliminate game like these.... Loyola - 257 RPI Binghampton - 301 RPI South Caroline State - 205 RPI We need to do this, but as I stated earlier its up to the a10 to follow and to improve on their scheduling... Look at the Pac 12.... great job of scheduling.... People were saying its good for Fordham to pile up wins.. helps the conference... sure, but not when the teams stink... it does nothing... Yes but my point is Monmouth did everything they were suppose to in August with scheduling, won most of the games and still got left out. This idea that you can schedule great teams and get in is a bit far fetched, no one knows who will be good/great. . Can we schedule better...sure. However, unless you want Bona on the raod for 75% of their OOC games, how can we schedule significantly better? No one wants to play in Olean. I am just saying it's not right that a team has to give up their home court to play tougher OOC and that's the bottom line. The game the NCAA wants Bona to play is absurd.
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Post by firstdev on Mar 14, 2016 9:17:07 GMT -5
The OOC record of Bonas was just an excuse, Syracuse for example had an OOC loss worse than ours, and it did seen to impact their surreal selection. If you do not think there is not a Power 5 bias you are smoking some very bad dope. They had no intention of selecting Bonas with that bias and the Oklahoma factor. By the way again, it is very difficult for teams like SBU to schedule better OOC teams. They do not want to play us in the RC or in Rochester either, especially seeing the charged up home like crowd in the BCBS Arena in Rochester for the St. Joes game. Yes, the system used by this committee is corrupt, and so was the Chair.
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Post by thesenator on Mar 14, 2016 9:22:59 GMT -5
This business of Tulsa last team in over Bona is about as corrupt as it gets. I've lost respect for the NCAA. Sadly, and to add salt in the wound, the ladies will get the same shabby treatment Monday night. and if the ladies get treated the same way as the men (and i agree with you, huskie, i think it's gonna happen) then i wish the women the same thing that i wish for the men: win game 1 in the nit...and game 2...and game 3...and right on to the championship!
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Post by labonniesfan on Mar 14, 2016 9:23:51 GMT -5
That isn't true... Monmouth did go out/ play the big boys..... the problem was the following: Gtwon/UCLA were down this year....../ even more so their conference is not good. SBU needs to go out and play bigger schools away. They have to do it.... This not only an SBU issue but an a10 issue.... the conference itself needs to schedule better. Its up to our AD/the coach to fix this problem. They need to push and push to play bigger. You can't continue to play one middle of the road power 5 and then the rest small level schools. I think we got screwed, but these things always happen.... You can't go back/ do the same thing/ hope for a different result... that is insane... you need to try to fix it up.... I am eager to see what the AD/Coach do about our scheduling.... Eliminate game like these.... Loyola - 257 RPI Binghampton - 301 RPI South Caroline State - 205 RPI We need to do this, but as I stated earlier its up to the a10 to follow and to improve on their scheduling... Look at the Pac 12.... great job of scheduling.... People were saying its good for Fordham to pile up wins.. helps the conference... sure, but not when the teams stink... it does nothing... What we need is to play in an exempt tournament. More games = more potential wins. Also better SOS playing P5 teams. Schmidt once referenced he did not like these tournaments, but that needs to change. It is the formula for Dayton, VCU, etc. It's hard to win on the road at places like Syracuse and Pitt and Vandy. Invariably you will get hosed by the refs if you're up with ten minutes to play in the second half. That/ another two high caliber opponents... that tournament we played 2 or three years ago in Florida was a joke.... Have to play in a better preseason tournament.
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Post by labonniesfan on Mar 14, 2016 9:25:30 GMT -5
Just got back from Brooklyn after a long train trip and drive....so here are my impressions: ... + Horrible Officiating - we needed to win at least one game at our tournament and did not. The Davidson loss was largely, but not exclusively due to horrendous officiating. I can honestly state that I have not seen such a poorly officiated game in at least twenty years, maybe longer. Even the Davidson fans told me after the game that the officiating was just "unbelievable". We win the game, we dance. The officials dictated the game in the last ten minutes, calling touch fouls on Bonas, and letting Posley and Wright get hammered underneath without foul calls. Very disturbing. Hopefully the A10 does an after action report on this crew and sanctions them - they were bad. ... I too thought the officiating was bad. It makes me wonder just how corrupt it all is. Would the VCU game have been a play in? In an interview with the committee chair, he stated that if Memphis had won the AAC, then VCU would have been moved to the last in line. The officiating wasn't the best, but we have also had some games where we got most of the calls... At the end of the day it wasn't officiating that lost the game..... Posley shouldn't have fouled the three point shot/ still we had a change to win....
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Post by tastylicks on Mar 14, 2016 9:26:03 GMT -5
The OOC record of Bonas was just an excuse, Syracuse for example had an OOC loss worse than ours, and it did seen to impact their surreal selection. If you do not think there is not a Power 5 bias you are smoking some very bad dope. They had no intention of selecting Bonas with that bias and the Oklahoma factor. By the way again, it is very difficult for teams like SBU to schedule better OOC teams. They do not want to play us in the RC or in Rochester either, especially seeing the charged up home like crowd in the BCBS Arena in Rochester for the St. Joes game. Yes, the system used by this committee is corrupt, and so was the Chair. Yes. All you need to do is look at how their criteria changes based on who they want to get in. For snubs with a lacking OOC, that's the reason. For snubs with an impressive OOC, its lack of top 50 wins. We could've scheduled like Monmouth and we still would've been left off. its madness because they dont have a criteria that they can follow. St. Bonaventure can't even be like "well we got screwed, what can we do next year to ensure we dont get screwed again?" the answer is nothing, really. Win your conference tournament or hope they dont decide to screw you over.
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Post by labonniesfan on Mar 14, 2016 9:38:12 GMT -5
You are really missing the point here... Monmouth scheduled up/ did well, but there schedule within their conference is poor and lost some bad games within their conference. I don't think Syracuse should have gotten in, but you must understand there overall SOS is much better than SBU..... SU (39) and SBU (87) oh and Monmouth (202).... Monmouth did everything that had to do, but again playing within their conference kills them. SU OOC wins.... RPI Texas A&M - 18 CONN - 35 SBU - 30 Wisconsin - 41 SBU OCC big RPI wins... Ohio - 80 What don't you get? SOS is very very important...
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Post by ohs73 on Mar 14, 2016 9:39:10 GMT -5
What's even more galling is that even if Bona beat Davidson, it wasn't enough. Dem Bonnies would have had to beat VCU to reach the A10 final, reading the committee's lousy tea leaves.
Just ridiculous!
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Post by CoachSBU on Mar 14, 2016 9:41:04 GMT -5
That isn't true... Monmouth did go out/ play the big boys..... the problem was the following: Gtwon/UCLA were down this year....../ even more so their conference is not good. SBU needs to go out and play bigger schools away. They have to do it.... This not only an SBU issue but an a10 issue.... the conference itself needs to schedule better. Its up to our AD/the coach to fix this problem. They need to push and push to play bigger. You can't continue to play one middle of the road power 5 and then the rest small level schools. I think we got screwed, but these things always happen.... You can't go back/ do the same thing/ hope for a different result... that is insane... you need to try to fix it up.... I am eager to see what the AD/Coach do about our scheduling.... Eliminate game like these.... Loyola - 257 RPI Binghampton - 301 RPI South Caroline State - 205 RPI We need to do this, but as I stated earlier its up to the a10 to follow and to improve on their scheduling... Look at the Pac 12.... great job of scheduling.... People were saying its good for Fordham to pile up wins.. helps the conference... sure, but not when the teams stink... it does nothing... Yes but my point is Monmouth did everything they were suppose to in August with scheduling, won most of the games and still got left out. This idea that you can schedule great teams and get in is a bit far fetched, no one knows who will be good/great. . Can we schedule better...sure. However, unless you want Bona on the raod for 75% of their OOC games, how can we schedule significantly better? No one wants to play in Olean. I am just saying it's not right that a team has to give up their home court to play tougher OOC and that's the bottom line. The game the NCAA wants Bona to play is absurd. ...And that's what it is....a game....except there's just about no chance of winning if you're in our boat. These guys have a pre-meeting agenda and they stick to it. It's become more and more apparent to me as the years go on. We need to continue to Twitter and e-mail guys like Castiglione to tell him we are tired of the same BS, year in and year out. I listened to one of the former Committee Chairs on ESPN who obviously was also from a power 5 school. All he cared about asking Castiglione aboutwas the Number 1 seeding and how this team ended up in closer to their home and how this team didn't. Never mind teams that didn't even make it to their dream date because those colleges are in the own play area! Ridiculous.
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Post by labonniesfan on Mar 14, 2016 9:41:44 GMT -5
The OOC record of Bonas was just an excuse, Syracuse for example had an OOC loss worse than ours, and it did seen to impact their surreal selection. If you do not think there is not a Power 5 bias you are smoking some very bad dope. They had no intention of selecting Bonas with that bias and the Oklahoma factor. By the way again, it is very difficult for teams like SBU to schedule better OOC teams. They do not want to play us in the RC or in Rochester either, especially seeing the charged up home like crowd in the BCBS Arena in Rochester for the St. Joes game. Yes, the system used by this committee is corrupt, and so was the Chair. Yes. All you need to do is look at how their criteria changes based on who they want to get in. For snubs with a lacking OOC, that's the reason. For snubs with an impressive OOC, its lack of top 50 wins. We could've scheduled like Monmouth and we still would've been left off. its madness because they dont have a criteria that they can follow. St. Bonaventure can't even be like "well we got screwed, what can we do next year to ensure we dont get screwed again?" the answer is nothing, really. Win your conference tournament or hope they dont decide to screw you over. Are you serious? Monmouth did well with a strong OOC, but then they went into their conference... SOS of 202.... Plus 3 loses of RPI 200+ At first I was a little annoyed and thought we got screwed, but the more I look at it is starting to make sense... dude you can't allow Monmouth to get in with that SOS of 202... People were too cocky about us getting in... we were on the bubble.... It comes down to playing better teams and hopefully you beat them.... It is so clear SOS needs to be improved. / please do not mention Monmouth again... It just doesn't make sense..... unless you feel the MAAC is the same as the a10 ... which it isn't...
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Post by Pinnum on Mar 14, 2016 9:43:21 GMT -5
The OOC record of Bonas was just an excuse, Syracuse for example had an OOC loss worse than ours, and it did seen to impact their surreal selection. If you do not think there is not a Power 5 bias you are smoking some very bad dope. They had no intention of selecting Bonas with that bias and the Oklahoma factor. By the way again, it is very difficult for teams like SBU to schedule better OOC teams. They do not want to play us in the RC or in Rochester either, especially seeing the charged up home like crowd in the BCBS Arena in Rochester for the St. Joes game. Yes, the system used by this committee is corrupt, and so was the Chair. Yes. All you need to do is look at how their criteria changes based on who they want to get in. For snubs with a lacking OOC, that's the reason. For snubs with an impressive OOC, its lack of top 50 wins. We could've scheduled like Monmouth and we still would've been left off. its madness because they dont have a criteria that they can follow. St. Bonaventure can't even be like "well we got screwed, what can we do next year to ensure we dont get screwed again?" the answer is nothing, really. Win your conference tournament or hope they dont decide to screw you over. That's the crux of the issue. I would HATE to see the Bonnies schedule like Monmouth. Not only would it be very difficult to have the OOC success they had but it would not be good for the fan base to have the team play 23 games away from home. It is even crazier when you realize that they did all that to make a statement that they belonged and then didn't get invited. Don't chase scheduling. George Washington would have been on the bubble with a better schedule. They too over scheduled and it didn't help them any. VCU was even a bubble team until the last week of the season due to their tough OOC schedule not producing wins. In all reality, it wasn't a slight to the Bonnies in particular as it could have been any A10 member or any solid program that doesn't have pedigree. I am even less inclined to go on the road to P5 after that selection. I would be calling Valpo, Monmouth, and others to schedule events and let them know that the days of going to the P5s without a home and home were over. They need the wins and it is easy to do at home. One of Syracuse's biggest wins was over the Bonnies at the dome. They didn't do anything away from home. Solid programs need to stop agreeing to those terms and should be banding together more.
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Post by CoachSBU on Mar 14, 2016 9:48:44 GMT -5
You are really missing the point here... Monmouth scheduled up/ did well, but there schedule within their conference is poor and lost some bad games within their conference. I don't think Syracuse should have gotten in, but you must understand there overall SOS is much better than SBU..... SU (39) and SBU (87) oh and Monmouth (202).... Monmouth did everything that had to do, but again playing within their conference kills them. SU OOC wins.... RPI Texas A&M - 18 CONN - 35 SBU - 30 Wisconsin - 41 SBU OCC big RPI wins... Ohio - 80 What don't you get? SOS is very very important... Hey. Syracuse for years scheduled cupcakes in their Out of Conference Schedule and relied on the Big East and the high RPIs in conference. There was only ONE or TWO times I remember them getting left out of the NCAA tourney. SOS is very important WHEN THE COMMITTEE deems it is to fit THEIR agenda. If our SOS was a positive factor for us this year, they would've found something else to keep us out. There is NO WAY Tulsa gets in this dance without having someone "in the administration" to give them a ticket. We had a higher conference rating than the American Conference which was comprised of former power 5 conference members and more of the "good ol' boys" network so guess who got more bids than the A-10? The American Conference! It's all a sham and it sucks especially for the TEAM and that includes the coaches and everyone associated. They didn't deserve this. They deserve our support now more than ever! Let's give it to them starting again Wednesday!!!
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Post by ddsmugs on Mar 14, 2016 9:53:21 GMT -5
Let a computer program pick the teams and seed them. Human bias will always be involved.
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