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Post by kcSBU03 on Mar 14, 2016 15:02:46 GMT -5
Nothing matters. The NCAA wants to turn this into a P5+conf champion tournament and they are doing it. All this talk about schedule is moot. We should have been in the field but we got jobbed. They constantly move the goal posts to fit whatever criteria they want to fit. Any argument used to keep us out contradicts another team they brought in. Michigan was 4-12 vs top 100. Arizona, Wisconsin and Cincinnati among others had worse SOS than us. They all used their conferences to bolster their bids as well as so many other teams. Dbag Joe is buddy buddy with the Tulsa AD and he got them in at our expense. We cant play the game any better than we did and its really sad we cant get rewarded for it.
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Post by tastylicks on Mar 14, 2016 15:09:10 GMT -5
Nothing matters. The NCAA wants to turn this into a P5+conf champion tournament and they are doing it. All this talk about schedule is moot. We should have been in the field but we got jobbed. They constantly move the goal posts to fit whatever criteria they want to fit. Any argument used to keep us out contradicts another team they brought in. Michigan was 4-12 vs top 100. Arizona, Wisconsin and Cincinnati among others had worse SOS than us. They all used their conferences to bolster their bids as well as so many other teams. Dbag Joe is buddy buddy with the Tulsa AD and he got them in at our expense. We cant play the game any better than we did and its really sad we cant get rewarded for it. thats what has me so upset about it. I shift between anger and sadness over being left out. Its mostly anger but the sadness comes when I think about how if what St. Bonaventure did this year is not good enough then how are they ever going to get an at large bid....? the only time we're ever going to make the tournament is with a conference tournament title? I certainly hope I'm wrong but what a bogus system
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Post by CoachSBU on Mar 14, 2016 15:14:31 GMT -5
Let a computer program pick the teams and seed them. Human bias will always be involved. ....whether they try to hide it or not...
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Post by CoachSBU on Mar 14, 2016 15:17:39 GMT -5
The only one I will be watching (and taping, in hopes of an SU loss) will be the game against Dayton. Go Flyers!! RIP that Orange to shreds!!! (P.S. I ALWAYS say the best game of the NCAA tournament is the one in which Syracuse is eliminated. That goes DOUBLE this year!)
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Post by labonniesfan on Mar 14, 2016 15:23:57 GMT -5
The only one I will be watching (and taping, in hopes of an SU loss) will be the game against Dayton. Go Flyers!! RIP that Orange to shreds!!! (P.S. I ALWAYS say the best game of the NCAA tournament is the one in which Syracuse is eliminated. That goes DOUBLE this year!) Stop crying.. honestly. Your overall strength of schedule is a huge factor. You need to go out and play the big boys in order to get in. Geez man... you are nuts.... Who cares....
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Post by kcSBU03 on Mar 14, 2016 15:27:49 GMT -5
Nothing matters. The NCAA wants to turn this into a P5+conf champion tournament and they are doing it. All this talk about schedule is moot. We should have been in the field but we got jobbed. They constantly move the goal posts to fit whatever criteria they want to fit. Any argument used to keep us out contradicts another team they brought in. Michigan was 4-12 vs top 100. Arizona, Wisconsin and Cincinnati among others had worse SOS than us. They all used their conferences to bolster their bids as well as so many other teams. Dbag Joe is buddy buddy with the Tulsa AD and he got them in at our expense. We cant play the game any better than we did and its really sad we cant get rewarded for it. thats what has me so upset about it. I shift between anger and sadness over being left out. Its mostly anger but the sadness comes when I think about how if what St. Bonaventure did this year is not good enough then how are they ever going to get an at large bid....? the only time we're ever going to make the tournament is with a conference tournament title? I certainly hope I'm wrong but what a bogus system A couple years ago I said on this board that we may never get an at large again. I said that because of the way the landscape was shifting away from mid majors and the A10/MW and toward the P5. That thought occurred to me again last week and I was looking forward to calling myself out on it and being wrong. Then of course we get the screw job. I have gone form being irate to sad because I keep reading article after article about how we were screwed. Obviously its natural to feel your team gets screwed but many times we cant see the forest through the trees. Today that is not the case. We got fucked without a kiss and it sucks. Until something changes and a new committee comes in that wont slight the non P5's, the only way in may be to win the A10.
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Post by kcSBU03 on Mar 14, 2016 15:29:20 GMT -5
The only one I will be watching (and taping, in hopes of an SU loss) will be the game against Dayton. Go Flyers!! RIP that Orange to shreds!!! (P.S. I ALWAYS say the best game of the NCAA tournament is the one in which Syracuse is eliminated. That goes DOUBLE this year!) Stop crying.. honestly. Your overall strength of schedule is a huge factor. You need to go out and play the big boys in order to get in. Geez man... you are nuts.... Who cares.... Abe, I thought you said you were leaving?
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Post by CoachSBU on Mar 14, 2016 15:30:39 GMT -5
The only one I will be watching (and taping, in hopes of an SU loss) will be the game against Dayton. Go Flyers!! RIP that Orange to shreds!!! (P.S. I ALWAYS say the best game of the NCAA tournament is the one in which Syracuse is eliminated. That goes DOUBLE this year!) Stop crying.. honestly. Your overall strength of schedule is a huge factor. You need to go out and play the big boys in order to get in. Geez man... you are nuts.... Who cares.... Once again: I'll tell YOU this: Go tell that to King Rice and Monmouth! It didn't help them and won't help us any more than we are already doing. This committee and most are going to go from excuse to excuse as to why NOT to let a mid-major in over a Major 5 (or American Conference team with personal ties). Like Phil Martelli said, "It's a disgrace" what this committee did.
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Post by pbd76 on Mar 14, 2016 15:47:40 GMT -5
Schools like us and Monmouth are the canaries in the coal mine. Martelli said he thought the P5 schools hijacked the tournament last year, and it's clear they have exerted even more control this year. This may be an existential threat to mid-major conferences and programs around the country. I know it feels like it was just us, but any school in any mid-major conference hoping for an at-large bid in future years will have to contend with the capriciousness of the committee. They will make up whatever rules they need to justify keeping one of us out at the expense of a P5 school.
What should be done? We really can't make much impact on our own. Will the A10 go to bat for us? After all, there are 14 teams affected by this not just us. Could the A10 band with other mid-major conferences to try and force change at the committee?
All mid major schools need to think of a plan. This has major implications in the future for getting good coaches, recruiting and player retention.
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Post by labonniesfan on Mar 14, 2016 15:48:44 GMT -5
YOU ARE NOT GETTING IT!
THEY DID PLAY A GOOD OUT OF CONFERENCE SCHEDULE, BUT THERE OVERALL SOS WAS 202 WITH 3 GAMES 200+ RPI LOSSES....
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Post by labonniesfan on Mar 14, 2016 15:53:49 GMT -5
thats what has me so upset about it. I shift between anger and sadness over being left out. Its mostly anger but the sadness comes when I think about how if what St. Bonaventure did this year is not good enough then how are they ever going to get an at large bid....? the only time we're ever going to make the tournament is with a conference tournament title? I certainly hope I'm wrong but what a bogus system A couple years ago I said on this board that we may never get an at large again. I said that because of the way the landscape was shifting away from mid majors and the A10/MW and toward the P5. That thought occurred to me again last week and I was looking forward to calling myself out on it and being wrong. Then of course we get the screw job. I have gone form being irate to sad because I keep reading article after article about how we were screwed. Obviously its natural to feel your team gets screwed but many times we cant see the forest through the trees. Today that is not the case. We got fucked without a kiss and it sucks. Until something changes and a new committee comes in that wont slight the non P5's, the only way in may be to win the A10. St. Joes was going to get in even if they didn't win... come on man.... ARE THE A BIG SCHOOL? NO.... Play bigger schools... and please stop mentioning Monmouth.... Monmouth played a good OOC schedule, but there Conference schedule is poor, so there overall SOS was 200+ with 200 RPI + losses. You probably shouldn't curse... Your sophomoric behavior is quite off-putting.
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Post by labonniesfan on Mar 14, 2016 15:55:39 GMT -5
Schools like us and Monmouth are the canaries in the coal mine. Martelli said he thought the P5 schools hijacked the tournament last year, and it's clear they have exerted even more control this year. This may be an existential threat to mid-major conferences and programs around the country. I know it feels like it was just us, but any school in any mid-major conference hoping for an at-large bid in future years will have to contend with the capriciousness of the committee. They will make up whatever rules they need to justify keeping one of us out at the expense of a P5 school. What should be done? We really can't make much impact on our own. Will the A10 go to bat for us? After all, there are 14 teams affected by this not just us. Could the A10 band with other mid-major conferences to try and force change at the committee? All mid major schools need to think of a plan. This has major implications in the future for getting good coaches, recruiting and player retention. Honestly the a10 needs to schedule up more. The Pac12 did a great job doing that. Try to embrace the change of actually playing tougher schools in your OOC schedule.
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Post by maplehurst on Mar 14, 2016 16:09:46 GMT -5
CoachSBU: Is king Rice the kid who played for Binghamton years ago?
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Post by labonniesfan on Mar 14, 2016 16:10:17 GMT -5
CoachSBU: Is king Rice the kid who played for Binghamton years ago? Coach of Monmouth
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Post by Ladderman on Mar 14, 2016 16:11:27 GMT -5
CoachSBU: Is king Rice the kid who played for Binghamton years ago? NYS Mr. Basketball 1987.
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