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Post by Pinnum on Mar 14, 2016 9:55:29 GMT -5
Let a computer program pick the teams and seed them. Human bias will always be involved. That was the original idea behind the RPI. To give one measure that could help guide the committee in their selections. |
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Post by pbd76 on Mar 14, 2016 10:10:59 GMT -5
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Post by CoachSBU on Mar 14, 2016 10:12:28 GMT -5
From article through Jerry Palm Monday morning at 2:05 AM regarding the tournament committee's decisions: "My only significant complaint would be the omission of St. Bonaventure for Tulsa. I wrote earlier on Sunday about 11 teams that the committee could legitimately leave out because of some significant, negative characteristic of their profile that would normally leave a team out. Tulsa was one of those teams. St. Bonaventure was not. The Bonnies' profile was not spectacular, and they did not really give them a strong reason to include them, but they didn't have the big negative that everyone else, including Tulsa, had.
I do have to give the committee credit for not overreacting to the end of the season. Vanderbilt, Tulsa and Temple were not overly punished for bad losses (by margin, quality of opponent or both) in their final games. That said, Tulsa is still a relatively weak choice in a field of weak choices. And now that I have said that, they'll go to the Sweet 16."
Yeah...like we mighta gone to the Sweet 16 if WE WERE GIVEN A CHANCE.....Castiglione SUCKS!
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Post by spils84 on Mar 14, 2016 10:22:35 GMT -5
Because we can never expect a committee consisting of ADs from Power 5 schools to do the right thing, I am done anguishing over what needs to be done to get into their over-hyped, yet lucrative tournament. This edition of Bonnies basketball has been arguably the best and most entertaining team since I started watching them in November of 1980. I still enjoy watching the Bonnies play, especially at the Reilly Center, but after last evening, and given the fact that my lifespan is limited, I am making a few changes.
1. I will watch each and every game with the same level of interest. Henceforth, every win is a good win, and every loss is a bad loss.
2. If the Bonnies want to schedule every Big 10 team next November and December, that's fine with me. If they want to schedule every America East team, that's okay too.
3. I will never again read anything regarding bubble teams, strength of schedule, last four in, RPI or bracketology.
4. I will never again criticize the Bonnies coaching staff. It is their job to recruit and coach, not mine. I will assume they are doing it to the best of their ability.
5. For the remainder of this season, the only games I will watch will involve Atlantic 10 schools. For the rest of the month, I will spend more time in church than I will watching NCAA basketball.
6. This concludes my diatribe. Enjoy your week, and Go Bonnies!
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Post by CoachSBU on Mar 14, 2016 10:23:38 GMT -5
The OOC record of Bonas was just an excuse, Syracuse for example had an OOC loss worse than ours, and it did seen to impact their surreal selection. If you do not think there is not a Power 5 bias you are smoking some very bad dope. They had no intention of selecting Bonas with that bias and the Oklahoma factor. By the way again, it is very difficult for teams like SBU to schedule better OOC teams. They do not want to play us in the RC or in Rochester either, especially seeing the charged up home like crowd in the BCBS Arena in Rochester for the St. Joes game. Yes, the system used by this committee is corrupt, and so was the Chair. Yes. All you need to do is look at how their criteria changes based on who they want to get in. For snubs with a lacking OOC, that's the reason. For snubs with an impressive OOC, its lack of top 50 wins. We could've scheduled like Monmouth and we still would've been left off. its madness because they dont have a criteria that they can follow. St. Bonaventure can't even be like "well we got screwed, what can we do next year to ensure we dont get screwed again?" the answer is nothing, really. Win your conference tournament or hope they dont decide to screw you over. ....and get screwed anyway with a 14 seed? Tell me that Syracuse deserved a 10 seed this year, as well as making the tournament. That 2011-12 team of ours would have had no trouble dispatching of this SU team. |
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Post by CoachSBU on Mar 14, 2016 10:26:12 GMT -5
Let a computer program pick the teams and seed them. Human bias will always be involved. That was the original idea behind the RPI. To give one measure that could help guide the committee in their selections. Add on: "...unless it conflicts with your own agenda coming into the committee meeting...". |
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Post by tastylicks on Mar 14, 2016 10:33:40 GMT -5
Yes. All you need to do is look at how their criteria changes based on who they want to get in. For snubs with a lacking OOC, that's the reason. For snubs with an impressive OOC, its lack of top 50 wins. We could've scheduled like Monmouth and we still would've been left off. its madness because they dont have a criteria that they can follow. St. Bonaventure can't even be like "well we got screwed, what can we do next year to ensure we dont get screwed again?" the answer is nothing, really. Win your conference tournament or hope they dont decide to screw you over. ....and get screwed anyway with a 14 seed? Tell me that Syracuse deserved a 10 seed this year, as well as making the tournament. That 2011-12 team of ours would have had no trouble dispatching of this SU team. Syracuse has the lowest RPI of any team ever to get an at-large bid. Their #72 RPI is 12 spots lower than Stony Brook. 10 seed. |
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Post by labonniesfan on Mar 14, 2016 10:36:38 GMT -5
Improve the schedule/ move on....
The entire committee did a bad job....
1st the allowed the brackets to be leaked... come on.... CBS I am sure is so mad... This is bad for advertisers who spend a lot of money to reach those eyeballs!
2nd questionable selections.. Vandy, Tulsa, Cuse
3rd seeding was horrible.... Michigan State not a number 1 seed? Nova? Seton Hall winning the Big East/ only getting a 6th seed.... Duke a 4 seed? come on....
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Post by deuce on Mar 14, 2016 10:58:13 GMT -5
It's total BULLSHIT!!!!'
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Post by labonniesfan on Mar 14, 2016 11:15:48 GMT -5
How? We should have gotten in, but they valued SOS.... our SOS wasn't as strong.... How can we fix this? Play better OOC game.... Its that simple..... |
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Post by Bonas90 on Mar 14, 2016 11:43:27 GMT -5
You know what really stings? Lunardi probably did have us projected correctly for the past few weeks (in the eyes of the NCAA committee). Hard to sometimes see the world through brown colored glasses.
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Post by CoachSBU on Mar 14, 2016 13:06:55 GMT -5
You know what really stings? Lunardi probably did have us projected correctly for the past few weeks (in the eyes of the NCAA committee). Hard to sometimes see the world through brown colored glasses. ....and the story about the NCAA Committee giving Syracuse a "break" because of Boeheim's suspension was probably accurate too. Castiglione was probably told to tone that down after he insinuated that a few weeks before Selection Sunday. Then, he tried to cover that up in interviews the day before by saying something to the extent that they take "coaches absences just as seriously as they take player absences". Now, if asked, he probably wouldn't admit it but I'm sure that was one consideration besides what I'm suspecting were more "under the table" dealings that led to Syracuse's inclusion into the field. I love Castiglione stating at press conference afterwards that we were compared with VCU and Syracuse and then we lost to both of them and ended up on the short end. Like I said, despite many more reasons to include us in this field, there was always going to be one criteria he could point to out of many that went against that logic. It was a forgone conclusion in my mind that this committee had its mind made up that the A-10 was only going to get 3 in the tourney so the only way we could get in was it we won two games and made it to the final. It was going to be us vs. VCU and the American Conference, with more of the "good ol' boys/girls" network, going to get 4. All this despite what was obvious about the comparison between the two conferences that we were the better of the two. Total BS. |
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Post by CoachSBU on Mar 14, 2016 13:09:45 GMT -5
You know what really stings? Lunardi probably did have us projected correctly for the past few weeks (in the eyes of the NCAA committee). Hard to sometimes see the world through brown colored glasses. ....and the story about the NCAA Committee giving Syracuse a "break" because of Boeheim's suspension was probably accurate too. Castiglione was probably told to tone that down after he insinuated that a few weeks before Selection Sunday. Then, he tried to cover that up in interviews the day before by saying something to the extent that they take "coaches absences just as seriously as they take player absences". Now, if asked, he probably wouldn't admit it but I'm sure that was one consideration besides what I'm suspecting were more "under the table" dealings that led to Syracuse's inclusion into the field. I love Castiglione stating at press conference afterwards that we were compared with VCU and Syracuse and then we lost to both of them and ended up on the short end. Like I said, despite many more reasons to include us in this field, there was always going to be one criteria he could point to out of many that went against that logic. Now, it's a forgone conclusion in my mind that this committee had its mind made up that the A-10 was only going to send 3 in the tourney and the only way we could get in was if we won two games and made it to the final. It was going to be us vs. VCU and the American Conference, with more of the "good ol' boys/girls" network, going to get 4. All this despite what was obvious about the comparison between the two conferences that we were the better of the two. Total BS. |
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Post by runningrj1 on Mar 14, 2016 13:18:01 GMT -5
You know what really stings? Lunardi probably did have us projected correctly for the past few weeks (in the eyes of the NCAA committee). Hard to sometimes see the world through brown colored glasses. ....and the story about the NCAA Committee giving Syracuse a "break" because of Boeheim's suspension was probably accurate too. Castiglione was probably told to tone that down after he insinuated that a few weeks before Selection Sunday. Then, he tried to cover that up in interviews the day before by saying something to the extent that they take "coaches absences just as seriously as they take player absences". Now, if asked, he probably wouldn't admit it but I'm sure that was one consideration besides what I'm suspecting were more "under the table" dealings that led to Syracuse's inclusion into the field. I love Castiglione stating at press conference afterwards that we were compared with VCU and Syracuse and then we lost to both of them and ended up on the short end. Like I said, despite many more reasons to include us in this field, there was always going to be one criteria he could point to out of many that went against that logic. It was a forgone conclusion in my mind that this committee had its mind made up that the A-10 was only going to get 3 in the tourney so the only way we could get in was it we won two games and made it to the final. It was going to be us vs. VCU and the American Conference, with more of the "good ol' boys/girls" network, going to get 4. All this despite what was obvious about the comparison between the two conferences that we were the better of the two. Total BS. This just enrages me more. It wasn't that the arrogant ass couldn't coach because he was sick or injured...HE CHEATED!!!!! The fact the committee forgave them for that is a disgrace. They should not be forgiven because it was a suspension/punishment. It's nice to know that someone from the power 5 can be dealt a punishment but don't worry it's cool..the committee will look the other way anyway. Looking at an inured player in the same light as a suspended coach is corruption at its worst. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HURT SYRACUSE BECAUSE IT WAS A PUNISHMENT!!!!! |
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Post by efsboca on Mar 14, 2016 13:55:43 GMT -5
....and the story about the NCAA Committee giving Syracuse a "break" because of Boeheim's suspension was probably accurate too. Castiglione was probably told to tone that down after he insinuated that a few weeks before Selection Sunday. Then, he tried to cover that up in interviews the day before by saying something to the extent that they take "coaches absences just as seriously as they take player absences". Now, if asked, he probably wouldn't admit it but I'm sure that was one consideration besides what I'm suspecting were more "under the table" dealings that led to Syracuse's inclusion into the field. I love Castiglione stating at press conference afterwards that we were compared with VCU and Syracuse and then we lost to both of them and ended up on the short end. Like I said, despite many more reasons to include us in this field, there was always going to be one criteria he could point to out of many that went against that logic. It was a forgone conclusion in my mind that this committee had its mind made up that the A-10 was only going to get 3 in the tourney so the only way we could get in was it we won two games and made it to the final. It was going to be us vs. VCU and the American Conference, with more of the "good ol' boys/girls" network, going to get 4. All this despite what was obvious about the comparison between the two conferences that we were the better of the two. Total BS. This just enrages me more. It wasn't that the arrogant ass couldn't coach because he was sick or injured...HE CHEATED!!!!! The fact the committee forgave them for that is a disgrace. They should not be forgiven because it was a suspension/punishment. It's nice to know that someone from the power 5 can be dealt a punishment but don't worry it's cool..the committee will look the other way anyway. Looking at an inured player in the same light as a suspended coach is corruption at its worst. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HURT SYRACUSE BECAUSE IT WAS A PUNISHMENT!!!!! All the more reason we need to make as much noise about this as possible, otherwise the same thing will happen in future years. I think what they should do is list the 32 conference champions who get auto births into the tourney. Then take the matrix for all other available teams, whatever matrix they want to use that they explain in advance (be it RPI, KPI, whatever), and then list them blind for the committee. The committee then pick the remaining 36 from the blind matrix. Of course it will never happen, but here is wishing. The squeaky wheel gets the oil. Every year somebody gets screwed and I get that as it is a limited field. This year clearly hurts more than past years because of the Brown and White, but I also think in past years it was a situation of two P5 schools and which one deserved it more, or the small school from a small conference with 27 wins that was still a 65 RPI, versus a P5 team with 18-19 wins and a RPI of 42. In our case we were the regular season champs of the 6th or 7th best conference with an RPI below 30. Throw on top of that the Tulsa invite and the Syracuse coaching excuse, and it is sickening. You can only make change by telling people what the issue is, not letting it go away. Hopefully, Woj and Vaccaro will write something or ask friends to write something and keep this alive, because something good needs to come from it, even if it is just standards. I was never a Calipari fan, but even he ripped the committee (primarily for UK's seeding), but one comment I saw also discussed the committee's lack of or changing criteria for judging teams and said it is solely for screwing the little guys...something like that. Amen to that. I will not watch an NCAA game this year. |
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