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Post by fan4ever on May 20, 2019 17:02:21 GMT -5
bbb said: "Yes, enrollment declined during her tenure, much like at other small or Catholic colleges and universities." I agree and have to believe that many private school enrollments were unfavorably affected during the Great Recession. In addition, SBU has had to deal with a negative migration from WNY, its bread and butter recruiting area. I am glad that the numbers are trending up again but would not criticize Sr. Margaret/others too hard for enrollment declines in that period of time. My understanding is that Fisher, Nazareth and Mercyhurst had record enrollments 2013 - 2018. A part of their success during the Sister Margaret years was poaching students who would normally be SBU bound. Thankfully that has turned around. Besides Dr. D. a savvy and proactive SBU Board has a lot to do with the enrollment increase. |
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Post by ceharv on May 21, 2019 8:09:30 GMT -5
Look at it this way, at least this Bandwagon argument is over who gets the credit for something positive - a jump in enrollment and in the number of current and future Bonnies. That’s kinda nice for a change.
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Post by Saulius Dumbliauskas on May 22, 2019 8:27:07 GMT -5
bbb said: "Yes, enrollment declined during her tenure, much like at other small or Catholic colleges and universities." I agree and have to believe that many private school enrollments were unfavorably affected during the Great Recession. In addition, SBU has had to deal with a negative migration from WNY, its bread and butter recruiting area. I am glad that the numbers are trending up again but would not criticize Sr. Margaret/others too hard for enrollment declines in that period of time. My understanding is that Fisher, Nazareth and Mercyhurst had record enrollments 2013 - 2018. A part of their success during the Sister Margaret years was poaching students who would normally be SBU bound. Thankfully that has turned around. Besides Dr. D. a savvy and proactive SBU Board has a lot to do with the enrollment increase. It is incredibly sad that Bonaventure is competing with Fisher, Nazareth and Mercyhurst for students. |
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Post by Pinnum on May 22, 2019 10:33:55 GMT -5
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Post by Saulius Dumbliauskas on May 22, 2019 15:23:53 GMT -5
It is STILL incredibly sad that Bonaventure is competing with Fisher, Nazareth and Mercyhurst for students. |
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Post by fan4ever on May 22, 2019 17:02:21 GMT -5
The history is that for 40 years SBU was run by various characters from "the gang that couldn't shoot straight." Increasing enrollment as well as constructing new facilities were considered by the Friars in the 1970s but shot down in favor of retaining a small rural, homey Franciscan college. The 1980s saw SBU in a downward spiral that stopped just short of bankruptcy. And then there was Wickenheiser in the 1990s. This is the guy who wanted to do away with the Sciences at SBU and make SBU a strictly Arts and Business college. All this is while most other colleges were beginning to leap onto implementing vocational STEM curriculums. Then there was the scandal, Sister Margaret and the failed Bona-Hil and SBU branch campus in India initiatives. Which brings us to 2019, Dr. D. and a Board that finally, at long, long, long last has its stuff together.
So this is why SBU is competing with Fisher, Nazareth and Mercyhurst. And thank goodness for that rather than losing prospective students to these schools by simply not having skin in the game as was the SBU case for so many years.
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Post by u518370 on May 22, 2019 19:38:36 GMT -5
I love SBU, but why would it be sad that we're competing with St. John Fisher for students? SJFC is very comparable to SBU academically, has better facilities and clearly has received financial support from some very generous donors to support/launch new programs over the last 15 years. I am not surprised at all that many students would consider both schools...
Having division one sports is probably the primary advantage for SBU, but that is not high on the list of priorities for most students.
Go Bonnies!
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Post by spils84 on May 22, 2019 20:36:26 GMT -5
One of my kids went to Naz, the other went to Bonas. Apart from athletics, both schools are comparable.
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Post by towniegrad on May 23, 2019 7:54:01 GMT -5
Recently attended an event at fisher and have also gone to bills camp there. Attractive campus ,facilities... they also have football,Rochester and attractive suburban location
Having a condescending attitude about competing colleges isn’t helpful.
Bonas’ salutary achievement is basketball, not that much sales point to parents paying big money or students who are more and more sophisticated.
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Post by Saulius Dumbliauskas on May 23, 2019 14:01:37 GMT -5
I grew up in Rochester and now have lived in several other cities along the east coast. Not one single person has ever even heard of SJFC or Nazareth, unless they grew up in Rochester. I've honestly never met someone outside of Rochester that even attended one of those institutions. You can go as close as Albany and people there have no idea those schools exist. They are local colleges.
That is why it is sad that we compete with them. Notoriety should be one of the first initiatives this administration deals with. When Bonas becomes a 'local college', all bets are off for the future of our beloved university.
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Post by 123Rob on May 23, 2019 14:38:12 GMT -5
Naz and SJFC are fine institutions. They do draw primarily from WNY and CNY and as time goes on seem to be more "weekday" schools. SJFC has been boosted lately by the nursing and pharmacy programs. SJFC seems to be thriving. Naz not as much and it has hit into its endowment (we have passed them) in recent years. Naz' education program and its health related majors/grad programs like PT may be its lifeblood. I have often wondered why the two do not merge.
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Post by agoo on May 23, 2019 14:59:03 GMT -5
I grew up in Rochester and now have lived in several other cities along the east coast. Not one single person has ever even heard of SJFC or Nazareth, unless they grew up in Rochester. I've honestly never met someone outside of Rochester that even attended one of those institutions. You can go as close as Albany and people there have no idea those schools exist. They are local colleges. That is why it is sad that we compete with them. Notoriety should be one of the first initiatives this administration deals with. When Bonas becomes a 'local college', all bets are off for the future of our beloved university. How do you suggest not competing with a school in Rochester? Don't recruit in the area? |
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Post by Saulius Dumbliauskas on May 23, 2019 15:01:55 GMT -5
I grew up in Rochester and now have lived in several other cities along the east coast. Not one single person has ever even heard of SJFC or Nazareth, unless they grew up in Rochester. I've honestly never met someone outside of Rochester that even attended one of those institutions. You can go as close as Albany and people there have no idea those schools exist. They are local colleges. That is why it is sad that we compete with them. Notoriety should be one of the first initiatives this administration deals with. When Bonas becomes a 'local college', all bets are off for the future of our beloved university. How do you suggest not competing with a school in Rochester? Don't recruit in the area? Maybe I'm not making myself clear. There shouldn't be a competition. Those schools pale in comparison to the benefits of Bonaventure. The main reason kids even go to those local schools is because they are afraid to move away form their parents. Bonaventure is a real university, those other schools are essentially community colleges. |
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Post by tomgleason on May 23, 2019 15:31:37 GMT -5
How do you suggest not competing with a school in Rochester? Don't recruit in the area? Maybe I'm not making myself clear. There shouldn't be a competition. Those schools pale in comparison to the benefits of Bonaventure. The main reason kids even go to those local schools is because they are afraid to move away form their parents. Bonaventure is a real university, those other schools are essentially community colleges. Or, to speak in reality...3 small private institutions of higher learning with comparable tuition and fees that have undergraduate and graduate programs...no need to disrespect them in the same manner that SBU gets disrespected from SU, and other giant universities |
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Post by Saulius Dumbliauskas on May 23, 2019 15:37:47 GMT -5
Maybe I'm not making myself clear. There shouldn't be a competition. Those schools pale in comparison to the benefits of Bonaventure. The main reason kids even go to those local schools is because they are afraid to move away form their parents. Bonaventure is a real university, those other schools are essentially community colleges. Or, to speak in reality...3 small private institutions of higher learning with comparable tuition and fees that have undergraduate and graduate programs...no need to disrespect them in the same manner that SBU gets disrespected from SU, and other giant universities Agree to disagree, I guess. I have never met someone who went to those schools that didn't grow up within 15 minutes of them. Not to say they don't exist, just my experience. |
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