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2021 OOC
Jul 1, 2021 19:27:46 GMT -5
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Post by res on Jul 1, 2021 19:27:46 GMT -5
I apologize for being one of the few people on this board who graduated from Bonas recently, let alone this century, but I have been paying attention. Oy. I bet you're fun at parties. As to your specific points, you are correct that there will be no enrollment effect, measurable or not. You are wrong with respect to NET. Though the NCAA does not reveal a formula, over the course of a full season, the NET results resemble kenpom's. In essence, it's an efficiency measure. Perform better against Northeatern than predicted and your NET rating will rise. Though the NCAA doesn't make it clear, wins and losses by Quadrant are a separate factor. I'm not exactly excited by the Northeastern home and home, but I'd take it in a heartbeat over the Siena one.
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Post by old timer on Jul 1, 2021 19:36:22 GMT -5
Establishing a long-term relationships with quality teams in our region is playing the long game. It’s an appropriate strategy to keep the program on stable ground.
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Post by geneseo on Jul 1, 2021 20:58:26 GMT -5
Establishing a long-term relationships with quality teams in our region is playing the long game. It’s an appropriate strategy to keep the program on stable ground. It truly is playing the “long game” as they are 500 miles away. Sam Sheldon is rolling over in his grave. In our region? Come on. This is also not going to help with enrollment. We must maximize this year and this doesn’t really help. If we win it is fine, lose and it hurts.
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Post by 123Rob on Jul 1, 2021 23:57:57 GMT -5
Has Sam Sheldon passed?! Wouldn't he like to see the Bonnies v. Maine in some random gym in Aroostook County??
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2021 OOC
Jul 2, 2021 6:50:35 GMT -5
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Post by res on Jul 2, 2021 6:50:35 GMT -5
Has Sam Sheldon passed?! Wouldn't he like to see the Bonnies v. Maine in some random gym in Aroostook County?? UMaine is in Penobscot County, haha. Penobscot is relatively urban when compared to Aroostook and especially Piscataquis.
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Post by fansince1960 on Jul 2, 2021 7:28:56 GMT -5
People say Olean is remote! Orono Maine is smaller than Olean and you really need to be a hearty soul to reside there.
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Post by tastylicks on Jul 2, 2021 8:24:36 GMT -5
Bona 20 - in case you haven’t been paying attention, for most of the last couple of decades, we have had a difficult time scheduling home and home series with quality programs, so there’s always a benefit to establishing and moving ahead with new relationships with quality programs and that’s what we’re doing. And that’s a benefit. Plus there’s the fact Boston is heavy with Catholic schools which could be a source of future enrollees. I applaud the move. I apologize for being one of the few people on this board who graduated from Bonas recently, let alone this century, but I have been paying attention. I know how scheduling works, and I know that scheduling one road game at Northeastern isn’t going to help our NET or cause our enrollment to shoot up. I’m not sure playing Northeastern in a Q3 game on the road would count as playing and developing a relationship with a “quality program.” This game has likely has no basketball benefit, it will take an amazing year for them for this game to actually benefit us. And I’m sure playing Northeastern with their massive average crowd size of 1186 is going to greatly move the needle with enrollment. With those attendance numbers, I’m sure every kid from every Catholic school in Boston will be attending and will commit to Bonas on the spot. According to a study, Lafayette, Louisiana is the most Catholic city in America, using your logic, should we schedule a home and home with UL Lafayette now? You don’t schedule games because of delusions about enrollment or to please the 100 Bona fans who will show up. We need to schedule games that can help us. You aren't wrong in many ways and I enjoyed reading your thoughts. But we are "supposed" to have a top 25 team next season, we shouldn't be worried about Northeastern on the road. Beat them on the road when we're primed up then we get them at home the season after when we need experience. I'm fine with it
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Post by towniegrad on Jul 2, 2021 8:45:32 GMT -5
Buffalo news: Niagara opens against XAVIER on 11/9.
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Post by ceharv on Jul 2, 2021 11:48:28 GMT -5
Bonas has had students from the Boston area, so raising our profile there can pay enrollment benefits in the long term. There was no suggestion of a sudden jump in applications from that area and reading that into what I wrote smacks of desperation to try to make a point, just as the suggestion that my logic suggests scheduling LA Lafayette is. We don’t draw many Cajuns, no matter how Catholic they are. Boston is a reasonable target, Louisiana isn’t. So that’s a benefit. I still don’t see the opposition to this bit of scheduling and I think we’ll be fine taking on the risk of a team at this level, even on the road. We’re not Syracuse; we’re going to have to leave the comfort of the RC in the OOC sched and Northeastern is a reasonable, beneficial choice. Would I prefer BC, or a two for one deal starting with a home game this fall? Sure, but that’s not happening.
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Post by geneseo on Jul 2, 2021 12:03:22 GMT -5
Bonas has had students from the Boston area, so raising our profile there can pay enrollment benefits in the long term. There was no suggestion of a sudden jump in applications from that area and reading that into what I wrote smacks of desperation to try to make a point, just as the suggestion that my logic suggests scheduling LA Lafayette is. We don’t draw many Cajuns, no matter how Catholic they are. Boston is a reasonable target, Louisiana isn’t. So that’s a benefit. I still don’t see the opposition to this bit of scheduling and I think we’ll be fine taking on the risk of a team at this level, even on the road. We’re not Syracuse; we’re going to have to leave the comfort of the RC in the OOC sched and Northeastern is a reasonable, beneficial choice. Would I prefer BC, or a two for one deal starting with a home game this fall? Sure, but that’s not happening. Raising our profile in the Boston area? It’s frickin Norteastern basketball. Have you talked to anyone under 60 recently? That isn’t moving the needle. Thinking a game against Northeastern raises our profile “smacks” of desperation. We can be Syracuse in this instance. We could call any CAA team and get a home and home any time. Just as the ACC or the Big East team could call any member of the A10 and get a home and home. There is a hierarchy in college basketball. We aren’t the top, but we also aren’t the bottom.
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Post by geneseo on Jul 2, 2021 14:00:45 GMT -5
Are you seriously using US News and World Report to make your point? Has a high school senior looked at that in the past 50 years? I actually liked the magazine and Washington Whispers was always very interesting. I throw that in so you know that I am old. I would apply for the AD job, but I wouldn’t be able to pretend to listen to doddering old fools. (I never mentioned Louisiana in my post that was Bona 20, but hey don’t let reading comprehension get in the way of an inane point)
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Post by bona20 on Jul 2, 2021 14:53:01 GMT -5
Bonas has had students from the Boston area, so raising our profile there can pay enrollment benefits in the long term. There was no suggestion of a sudden jump in applications from that area and reading that into what I wrote smacks of desperation to try to make a point, just as the suggestion that my logic suggests scheduling LA Lafayette is. We don’t draw many Cajuns, no matter how Catholic they are. Boston is a reasonable target, Louisiana isn’t. So that’s a benefit. I still don’t see the opposition to this bit of scheduling and I think we’ll be fine taking on the risk of a team at this level, even on the road. We’re not Syracuse; we’re going to have to leave the comfort of the RC in the OOC sched and Northeastern is a reasonable, beneficial choice. Would I prefer BC, or a two for one deal starting with a home game this fall? Sure, but that’s not happening. How does playing Northeastern raise our profile anywhere? They are a CAA team with little to no fan support. Playing them on the road has no enrollment benefits whatsoever, short-term or long-term. Have we seen a rise in students coming from Virginia since VCU and George Mason joined the A10? The idea that playing somewhere on the road will lead to any enrollment benefits is a joke. People don’t pick their colleges that way. It’s just like the people clamoring for us to play a game in Erie of all places like it would make a difference with enrollment. As far as basketball goes, I am pretty sure we will beat them too, but it is an unnecessary risk that poses no basketball benefit either due to their low metrics. A win does nothing, and a bad loss could kill us this year, and there is no reason to go on the road for a team like Northeastern. The Niagara, Canisius, and Siena gone and homes aren’t going anywhere (unfortunately), but besides them we really don’t need to go on the road for games that have no basketball benefit for us. If we really need a game so badly, go buy another MAAC team, or even someone else in the CAA like we have in the past instead of starting a home and home. I don’t understand how you can possibly think this is a “beneficial” game for any reason.
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Post by rf1 on Jul 2, 2021 15:28:07 GMT -5
Playing in Boston will likely not move enrollment numbers but it may help recruiting New England players and make the region's alumni happy. May also be the only chance for Coach Schmidt to see his parents at a game given there are no other games being played in the area with both UMass and URI at home. Northeastern does play in a cool old building with a lot of history that is just a block over from famed Symphony Hall. Matthews Arena was built in 1910 and was the original home to the Boston Celtics, Bruins, all the area college hockey teams, and the annual Beanpot Tournament. It has played host to many famous people and events during its lifetime. Matthews hosted every president from Theodore Roosevelt in 1912 to John F. Kennedy in 1946. Other dignitaries to hold events at the arena include Charles Lindbergh and Amelia Earhart. Boxing was once a mainstay at the arena and hosted bouts with Jack Sharkey, Jack Dempsey, Gene Tunney, Joe Louis and Marvin Hagler. It today seats 6,000 with all chairbacks. A massive state of the art 50 foot videoboard was recently installed back in 2018. It is located close to multiple mass transit options including stops for the Orange and Green MBTA Subway Lines and the Ruggles Commuter station for three different SW train routes.
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Post by res on Jul 2, 2021 15:49:24 GMT -5
If it's good enough for Michigan State, it's good enough for me.
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Post by ceharv on Jul 2, 2021 16:44:30 GMT -5
All the scheduling difficulties we have had over the years, but we could have had home and home series with anyone in the CAA all along? Really? This is the same thinking as in so many other years when there’s been a solid group here complain about scheduling with suggestions that all we had to do was make a phone call or two to get good teams scheduled, but the staff was apparently thought to be too stupid or lazy to do so. In retrospect, this thinking is an improvement over all the years when so many here had similar discussions about our inability to recruit high quality players. At least we seem to be past those discussions; let’s hope they don’t need to return. And maybe with the RC improvements, hot dog size will also be off the table. At that point, we can get to the real argument - shouldn’t we be bringing back football?
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