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Post by ceharv on Jul 21, 2021 8:20:54 GMT -5
Skeller- well-played, which is my last word on this topic.
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Post by skeller6 on Jul 21, 2021 17:52:34 GMT -5
Certainly this entire episode does not bode well for the interim administration. Undergoing a sudden and traumatic presidential change of command is bad enough, but then to terminate, not renew, or part from your long time AD just adds to the confusion. Not even informing the AD professional staff of the sudden change is just not appropriate under any circumstances. Add to that the absurd vaccine mandate and you have a picture of administrative instability. Not a good look.
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Post by Cat on Jul 21, 2021 18:37:13 GMT -5
We have the team, an AD will come!
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Post by bva on Jul 22, 2021 13:14:51 GMT -5
Certainly this entire episode does not bode well for the interim administration. Undergoing a sudden and traumatic presidential change of command is bad enough, but then to terminate, not renew, or part from your long time AD just adds to the confusion. Not even informing the AD professional staff of the sudden change is just not appropriate under any circumstances. Add to that the absurd vaccine mandate and you have a picture of administrative instability. Not a good look. "Look" not equal to substance. Most rational people prefer the latter.
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Post by skeller6 on Jul 23, 2021 17:29:21 GMT -5
Its hardly rational for the Interim President to fire the AD without cause, and demand all students and staff be vaccinated regardless of their individual medical issues, conditions and history. Requiring all personnel to be vaccinated aligns SBU with SUNY, that in itself should sent shutters through all Catholics everywhere. Have a good day.......
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Post by sbu79 on Jul 23, 2021 18:43:51 GMT -5
Its hardly rational for the Interim President to fire the AD without cause, and demand all students and staff be vaccinated regardless of their individual medical issues, conditions and history. Requiring all personnel to be vaccinated aligns SBU with SUNY, that in itself should sent shutters through all Catholics everywhere. Have a good day....... Perhaps he wants to avoid shuttering the school. I, personally, shudder at that prospect.
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Post by fan81 on Jul 24, 2021 8:45:16 GMT -5
Another thread goes off the rails. 1. This thread is about Kenny, not about your objections to vaccines (which only a idiot would oppose ... see what's going on in Tennessee right now). 2. The shot at SUNY is ridiculous. As a graduate of both Bona and UB and a current faculty member of a SUNY school, I can say each has its own strengths and weaknesses. The Oswegos, Plattsburghs, Brockports and Fredonias of the system actually have a lot in common with Bona (small classes, close connections with faculty, etc.). 3. So yes, Kenny's departure is a source of concern. But your other points are just silly.
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Post by skeller6 on Jul 24, 2021 20:06:25 GMT -5
Yes, not having an AD is serious flaw in interim administration, yet they voluntarily engaged in this specific action. No one forced them into instability. No one recommended that they not consult AD dept staff. So why did they undertake this path? At this point no one knows, but we do know that it does not reflect in positive manner on the interim administration. On the vaccine issue, the proof is clear. Those students in age group 18 to 22 have a very, very low incidence of serious illness in conjunction with C19 virus. They have a better chance of being run over by a railroad train. Secondly, those students who have already had the virus (almost all with extremely mild cases, without any long term effects), and those who carry the C19 antibodies should NOT receive the vaccine, due to the risk of serious side effects including deadly myocardial infections. These infections can cause permanent damage including severe heart disease. For Dr. Zimmer (not an MD by the way) to mandate that all students, regardless of the very low risk from the disease, be vaccinated is absurd, and counterproductive. Probably the most bizarre decision ever made by an SBU President, possibly since football was abolished in 1951 (just joking hardheads), but you get the point. While I am fully vaccinated I would never recommend my undergraduate son or daughter in that age group to receive this vaccine, as an experiment (which it is), never. Wake up. The vaccine has not been fully vetted for this age group and probably will not be vetted for several years. Is it worth the risk to healthy students? Again the answer is NO.
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Post by thesocalkid on Jul 25, 2021 7:08:10 GMT -5
Thank you, Tim Kenny for all the hard work and improvements that you gave and made while you were at St Bonaventure University !!!
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Post by BONA82.5 on Jul 25, 2021 8:15:01 GMT -5
Another thread goes off the rails. 1. This thread is about Kenny, not about your objections to vaccines (which only a idiot would oppose ... see what's going on in Tennessee right now). 2. The shot at SUNY is ridiculous. As a graduate of both Bona and UB and a current faculty member of a SUNY school, I can say each has its own strengths and weaknesses. The Oswegos, Plattsburghs, Brockports and Fredonias of the system actually have a lot in common with Bona (small classes, close connections with faculty, etc.). 3. So yes, Kenny's departure is a source of concern. But your other points are just silly. "Only an idiot would oppose" ...
Come on dude - was that really necessary ? There is definitely evidence that if you carry the antibody, there is no significant benefit to being Vax'd. Personally, I had COVID and I was Vax'd 3 months after - but that was my decision.
The "Idiot" statement, besides being childish, certainly brings into question your claim of being a current faculty member of a SUNY school. I would hope that institutions of higher learning would keep an open mind regarding this issue. Sadly, that does not appear to be the case and therein lies the problem - and it's a big one.
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Post by skeller6 on Jul 25, 2021 17:56:36 GMT -5
Here are fun facts for the interim SBU administration! One, Bonas has no AD, only an acting. A clear disadvantage to conference and NCAA issues. Two, the SBU group think vaccine mandate flies in the face of science! How? None of these vaccines has been tested on young adults and children. None of these vaccines have been permanently certified by the FDA, they are only experimental in nature.
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Post by CoachSBU on Jul 25, 2021 21:12:06 GMT -5
Here are fun facts for the interim SBU administration! One, Bonas has no AD, only an acting. A clear disadvantage to conference and NCAA issues. Two, the SBU group think vaccine mandate flies in the face of science! How? None of these vaccines has been tested on young adults and children. None of these vaccines have been permanently certified by the FDA, they are only experimental in nature. Save this talk for some other forum. This is NOT the place. You want to talk about Kenny and the administration, fine. Leave the vaccination talk out of it please...
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Post by skeller6 on Jul 26, 2021 6:31:48 GMT -5
Can not think of more vital issues for Bonas that these two.....so sorry! No AD, and the mandate.
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Post by res on Jul 26, 2021 8:39:32 GMT -5
Can not think of more vital issues for Bonas that these two.....so sorry! No AD, and the mandate. It's telling that you put "no" AD as one of the two most vital issues but not "no" president.
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Post by skeller6 on Jul 28, 2021 16:12:30 GMT -5
Thanks for agreeing on the dysfunction....am amazed but still grateful. No President, no AD, a wrongheaded vaccine mandate, and now a wrongheaded mask mandate. Not a pretty picture here.
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