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Post by fjs64 on Aug 4, 2021 7:48:31 GMT -5
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Post by Chuck on Aug 4, 2021 12:03:46 GMT -5
Attached is Jay Bilas “Welcome to the NCAA's overdue summer of reckoning, and what happens next.” With glee Bilas talks about the court losses of NCAA, which has resulted into NCAA having less control. Following are Bilas comments from his article. — The NCAA is no longer the vehicle that will run college sports. The NCAA will take a step back from rules and regulations that govern college sports across the board and cede authority to conferences to make their own rules. —SCOTUS made clear that conferences, as long as they don't collude, may make their own rules governing the treatment and compensation of athletes. — Major conferences will continue to compete with each other for money, markets and power. We can expect that the bigger, more powerful conferences will separate from the rest to consolidate power. — Lastly, athletes will make money and everything will be just fine. Bilas seems to talk like there is a new utopia arriving with the reckoning of the NCAA. It is unfortunate he didn’t attempt to take a look at the perspective of a fan from a school, who is not from a power conference. —Bilas said “those conferences will do what is in their best interests to be dominant players in the marketplace in this cutthroat business. That is called competition.” This sounds great for the power conferences, but doesn’t sound good for the other conferences. I see power conferences, calling the shots in basketball like they are in football. As for competition it will become even a lot more unfair than it already is for the other conferences. — Bilas “athletes will make money and everything will be just fine” is true for power conferences, but not so for the other conferences. Every school in a power conferences will be able to pay a basketball player a compensation a school like Bona can’t compete with. The days of an A-10 team upsetting any power conference team will be far fewer under Bilas new Utopia. Shouldn’t be a surprise for anyone to see the rich becoming a lot richer with “NCAA's overdue summer of reckoning.” I’m less thrilled with it than Bilas. www.espn.com/college-sports/insider/story/_/id/31949952/bilas-welcome-ncaa-overdue-summer-reckoning-happens-next
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Post by BONA82.5 on Aug 5, 2021 5:29:50 GMT -5
BILAS loves to spew his "The NCAA is the root of all evil" mantra. He is great at citing problems but not offering solutions. After this "summer of reckoning", perhaps he will finally move on and find another problem with college hoops (that he will not offer a solution to). Never have been a big fan of that pompous windbag. I'm surprised he hasn't moved on to politics by now.
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Post by efsboca on Aug 5, 2021 20:40:46 GMT -5
Attached is Jay Bilas “Welcome to the NCAA's overdue summer of reckoning, and what happens next.” With glee Bilas talks about the court losses of NCAA, which has resulted into NCAA having less control. Following are Bilas comments from his article. — The NCAA is no longer the vehicle that will run college sports. The NCAA will take a step back from rules and regulations that govern college sports across the board and cede authority to conferences to make their own rules. —SCOTUS made clear that conferences, as long as they don't collude, may make their own rules governing the treatment and compensation of athletes. — Major conferences will continue to compete with each other for money, markets and power. We can expect that the bigger, more powerful conferences will separate from the rest to consolidate power. — Lastly, athletes will make money and everything will be just fine. Bilas seems to talk like there is a new utopia arriving with the reckoning of the NCAA. It is unfortunate he didn’t attempt to take a look at the perspective of a fan from a school, who is not from a power conference. —Bilas said “those conferences will do what is in their best interests to be dominant players in the marketplace in this cutthroat business. That is called competition.” This sounds great for the power conferences, but doesn’t sound good for the other conferences. I see power conferences, calling the shots in basketball like they are in football. As for competition it will become even a lot more unfair than it already is for the other conferences. — Bilas “athletes will make money and everything will be just fine” is true for power conferences, but not so for the other conferences. Every school in a power conferences will be able to pay a basketball player a compensation a school like Bona can’t compete with. The days of an A-10 team upsetting any power conference team will be far fewer under Bilas new Utopia. Shouldn’t be a surprise for anyone to see the rich becoming a lot richer with “NCAA's overdue summer of reckoning.” I’m less thrilled with it than Bilas. www.espn.com/college-sports/insider/story/_/id/31949952/bilas-welcome-ncaa-overdue-summer-reckoning-happens-nextAgree Chuck. The NCAA shot themselves in the foot by making decisions that were not evenly based, and sometimes, quite stupid. This hurts the game, because it makes the rich richer, allows conferences to bend/make the rules for competitive advantage, and it is a short term approach to a players education and future. So it will not only hurt less wealthy conferences, but will also hurt players in the long run.
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Post by maplehurst on Aug 11, 2021 9:01:28 GMT -5
While Cuomo was committed to keeping the Bills in Buffalo, incoming Governor Hochel is from Hamburg. She is also a Syracuse grad. Both the Bills and Syracuse may have lucked out. The Bills may get the new stadium they want and Syracuse could get a new facility that would make them a possible Big Ten candidate. Let's see if Hochel is sports minded.
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Post by skeller6 on Aug 11, 2021 9:30:23 GMT -5
While Cuomo was committed to keeping the Bills in Buffalo, incoming Governor Hochel is from Hamburg. She is also a Syracuse grad. Both the Bills and Syracuse may have lucked out. The Bills may get the new stadium they want and Syracuse could get a new facility that would make them a possible Big Ten candidate. Let's see if Hochel is sports minded. Everything is play now with a WNY Governor in Kathy Hochul. By the way a graduate of Catholic University Law School '84. First WNY Governor since Grover Cleveland. New stadiums for everyone!
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Post by maplehurst on Aug 11, 2021 12:50:30 GMT -5
What about Olean's Frank Higgins. Wasn't he after Grover Cleveland?
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Post by tastylicks on Aug 12, 2021 12:53:55 GMT -5
What about Olean's Frank Higgins. Wasn't he after Grover Cleveland? Yes he was. Some 20+ years after Cleveland actually "A biography of Higgins's life was written by William Gabler, entitled Frank Wayland Higgins: New York’s Forgotten Governor." boy - aint that right
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Post by fjs64 on Sept 5, 2021 11:09:25 GMT -5
This was copied from the A10 Board, written by Bona grad JPSCHMACK.....his posts on realignment are creative and very good....this is his latest and I love it:
Wichita State is probably fine in the AAC. But I'm serious on talking with Gonzaga. I might not work because of the geography. But we're stupid not to try it, and to let them make the decision instead of us. How many of our teams would take an OOC game at Gonzaga if offered? All of us. How many of us would have a problem with a Top 5 team in our conference? None of us. How many of us would have a problem being THE TALK of college sports for a few days? None of us.
Invite just Gonzaga. 18 conference games. Schedule by three groups of five; Each group has a City Pair, a Regional Pair, and one other school. 2 vs your group, 1 vs the others...
A: Gonzaga, Dayton, Saint Louis, George Washington, George Mason B: VCU, Richmond, Rhode Island, UMass, LaSalle C: St. Bonaventure, Davidson, Duquesne, Saint Joseph's, Fordham
So Gonzaga gets the two "closest" (ha) A-10 members, plus two neighbor schools in DC; H/A. Year 1 road: VCU/Richmond, Rhode Island/UMass, Fordham Year 2 road: St. Joe's/LaSalle, Duquesne/St. Bona, Davidson
Year 3, we can shuffle the City Pairs or Regional Pairs into different groups if necessary. Year 4 inverse. That's a stable schedule they can plan around. It's not FUN or EASY travel, but they know they won't get stuck with "this year, you get at (four hardest places to get to).
Make it a four-year trial agreement; after year two, they can assess if they want to stay or go after year four. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work, no hard feelings. We give them their A-10 share of revenue for the units they bring the league if they decide not to stay. Either way they get that money.
Gonzaga has nothing really to lose by doing that. The Zags probably aren't going to fall off the map by playing four years in the A-10. If they decided to bail after the experiment, the WCC would welcome them back in a heartbeat. And any other conference options on the table now will be open to them in four years, too.
Like I said, it's crazy and might not work because of things like... volleyball and baseball. But let Gonzaga make that decision. If we don't at least talk about it, we might end up with Gonzaga joining the Mountain West and the MWC then getting far more bids than we want them to get, cutting into ours.
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Post by ceharv on Sept 5, 2021 18:27:27 GMT -5
One thing with these mega-money conferences - there is often a backlash against big money anything. I think there will still be a marketplace for mid-major schools who can occasionally challenge the bigs and win. The bigs may refuse to schedule smaller schools, but there will be a backlash against that also, IMO. The bigs will provide top quality players and games, but obviously will always be a couple of steps behind the NBA, who will always be there to offer even bigger money to lure away the best players. So there will be constant turnover in the bigs, which will result in frustration and confusion, maybe resulting in fans being drawn to the mid majors, where things will be more constant and predictable year to year. So I don’t buy into the thinking of the doomsayers. Non-Power conferences will survive; there will always be those who prefer to watch the little guys play more for “the love of the game” and where money doesn’t drive everything. Even now, high school sports are hugely popular.
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Post by buffalo on Sept 7, 2021 0:36:22 GMT -5
Syracuse isn’t getting New York State money again for a new Syracuse Orange football stadium there not a state school there a private school. If New York State has no interest in ever funding a new stadium for UB a state school there not funding a football stadium for a private school. As for the new Buffalo Bills stadium they come with a large NFL payroll tax of the players Syracuse and UB has no such thing close money wise to what the Buffalo Bills offer the state in taxable revenue.
Plus the Buffalo Bills looked at UB North Campus in Amherst along with downtown Buffalo and Orchard Park for there new Buffalo Bills stadium before settling on Orchard Park again. UB North Campus in Amherst was a non starter for New York State according to the Bills representatives on Buffalo radio last week. There is no reason and nothing to gain for the Bills organization to lie about something like that. New York State isn’t interested in funding major college sports facilities hence why New York State a huge state with money isn’t a big player on the Power Five Conference level.
Which is too bad because Buffalo/Western New York could see a benefit of a Pittsburgh Steelers/Pittsburgh Panthers share a stadium with Buffalo Bills/UB Bulls new stadium with UB Bulls potentially joining the Big Ten Conference. Syracuse academics isn’t Big Ten Conference there a basketball school best served in the ACC. UB is football school first than basketball but New York State isn’t interested in stuff like that which is unfortunate with the huge television money in Power Five Conference Big Ten Conference where UB belongs football wise more than Syracuse. Why because long term UB/Buffalo boarders the very wealthy Greater Toronto area market Syracuse doesn’t. UB Michigan or UB Ohio State would print money with Buffalo/Western New York/GTA, Syracuse Orange doesn’t offer any such thing. As a Buffalo/Western New Yorker I could careless about Syracuse Orange anything. Buffalo/Western New York is represented by the Big Four schools UB, St Bonaventure, Canisius and Niagara there is no Syracuse. Syracuse isn’t a Western New York school there Central New York who cares school.
As for the Bonnies they belong in the Big East Conference period see the same deal as UB. The Bonnies market is Buffalo/Western New York/GTA the Bonnies in the Big East Conference would print money basketball wise but the Bonnies need more of a presence in Buffalo and the Great Toronto Area see Buffalo Bills same holds true for the Bonnies never mind about Syracuse Orange they made there bed deserting Western New York decades ago now they deserve everything they get UB has passed them with Football on field success and so have both the Bonnies and Bulls basketball which I support both as a Buffalo/Western New Yorker. I am looking forward to my Kyle Lofton number zero grey alternative Bonnies jersey coming in October I ordered from Sports Locker for the Bonnies basketball season.
The Bonnies should have been in the Big East Conference since the beginning in 1979 after the NBA Buffalo Braves moved to San Diego playing big games in the old Buffalo Memorial Auditorium to replace the loss of the Buffalo Braves. Again for this to happen today the Bonnies need to grow there Buffalo/Western New York/GTA fan base. Again that means more of a presence in Buffalo and Toronto. The Bonnies radio network needs to have a Buffalo affiliate there is no excuse for that in 2021. Again that means the Bonnies need to make a better effort. The Bonnies not playing a game a year in Key Bank Center yearly is beyond strange in 2021. Again Bonnies fans who want Reilly Center only can complain all they want but not playing one game in Key Bank Center for a yearly presence in Buffalo along with a Buffalo radio affiliate in 2021 is strange in my opinion. Go Bonnies! Let’s Go Buffalo
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Post by chrismoses on Sept 7, 2021 8:23:37 GMT -5
Which is too bad because Buffalo/Western New York could see a benefit of a Pittsburgh Steelers/Pittsburgh Panthers share a stadium with Buffalo Bills/UB Bulls new stadium with UB Bulls potentially joining the Big Ten Conference. Syracuse academics isn’t Big Ten Conference there a basketball school best served in the ACC. UB is football school first than basketball but New York State isn’t interested in stuff like that which is unfortunate with the huge television money in Power Five Conference Big Ten Conference where UB belongs football wise more than Syracuse. Why because long term UB/Buffalo boarders the very wealthy Greater Toronto area market Syracuse doesn’t. UB Michigan or UB Ohio State would print money with Buffalo/Western New York/GTA, Syracuse Orange doesn’t offer any such thing. As for the Bonnies they belong in the Big East Conference period see the same deal as UB. The Bonnies market is Buffalo/Western New York/GTA the Bonnies in the Big East Conference would print money basketball wise but the Bonnies need more of a presence in Buffalo and the Great Toronto Area see Buffalo Bills same holds true for the Bonnies never mind about Syracuse Orange they made there bed deserting Western New York decades ago now they deserve everything they get UB has passed them with Football on field success and so have both the Bonnies and Bulls basketball which I support both as a Buffalo/Western New Yorker. I am looking forward to my Kyle Lofton number zero grey alternative Bonnies jersey coming in October I ordered from Sports Locker for the Bonnies basketball season. That is quite the post. Appreciate the optimism, but neither the B1G or Big East need or want the market in which UB and Bonaventure reside. Even though Syracuse hoops are consistently better than football, football was the reason they left the Big East and it will be football that controls the school's next move. You point out UB is a better fit for the B1G than Syracuse. Do you think the B1G brass does not notice UB cannot even draw 20,000 for home games? Love or hate them, Syracuse's following in football and basketball is 10x what Buffalo and Bona has to offer. Despite what people think, football is steering SU's future, not hoops. UB would be a good fit in the future AAC if some teams leave, but anything above that seems like a longshot. Bona would have to totally rebrand, double their hoops budget, and likely play most home games in Roc/Buf and fill the place to even be considered. Bona's best bet is to continue winning in the A10, and to build up their hoops budget and fanbase in WNY. If UB wants to hitch their wagon to MAC Football, then their ceiling is going to be AAC football playing the likes of ECU, USF and maybe some other Sun Belt teams in a rebranded AAC without the likes of Cincinnati, Houston and Memphis.
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Post by derhut on Sept 7, 2021 9:46:05 GMT -5
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Post by chrismoses on Sept 7, 2021 9:58:16 GMT -5
Exactly. If for whatever reason GU decides to leave the WCC, in what world would they jump to the A10 over the Mountain West?
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Post by ohs73 on Sept 7, 2021 11:40:19 GMT -5
UB in the B1G...that's laughable. About as much as Bona in the BE (which was NEVER happening then or now).
I do agree that Bona needs a radio outlet in Buffalo to air the games, preferably FM with a decent signal. Can't get KB on AM since they carry UB.
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