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Post by Dunga on Nov 29, 2021 16:31:38 GMT -5
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Post by bigdobber on Nov 29, 2021 17:37:17 GMT -5
I think staying in or around the Top 30 is achievable until we get deeper into the season. If we come out of OOC with 3 losses and put together a solid A10 conference record (Top 3) I expect a seeding around 7 or 8. We aren’t the only program that will lose some games so you guys need to be realistic going forward.
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Nov 29, 2021 18:10:47 GMT -5
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Post by sbu79 on Nov 29, 2021 18:10:47 GMT -5
I think that was the point I was trying to make, maybe unsuccessfully. I actually agree with you. We don't get the benefit of the doubt like a Kansas or Alabama and deservedly so I may add. That's why it was a bad loss. Okay. If that's what you meant then I simply disagree with the term "bad loss". I consider a bad loss to be a team that should never be able to compete with a team. I am thinking of games like when Charleston Southern beat Missouri. The really long shot wins. This exchange illustrates the point I tried to make elsewhere. There is no single accepted meaning to the term "bad loss," and some large percentage of the discussion over the last many pages of this thread is the result of the fluidity of the definition of "bad loss." My first paragraph in my earlier post is in line with what bub is saying. Since the voters in the rankings, and other list makers, do not see the Bona's and UNIs of the world as they see Kansas (or Marquette for that matter), it's a bad loss for the Bonnies in the context of those rankings and probably the free hype that would have continued to accrue if it had been a win. However, at the end of the year, a different group will decide what a "bad loss" is for purposes of awarding bids to the tournament. At this time, we can't say whether UNI is a bad loss, or not. The Bonnies are now dependent on how UNI plays this year to determine that. It's reasonable to assume UNI will do fine, and the Bonnies will be fine with regard to the UNI impact on their resume, BUT the games have to be played (including Bona games) and our guys now have put themselves in a position where a game COULD be held against them.
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Post by fjs64 on Nov 29, 2021 18:14:10 GMT -5
Haha not well respected enough hence we drop out of APpoll completely with a loss to them. Kansas only drops 4 spots when they lose to Dayton??? Hmmm… Now it is clear you're just a troll. So far this season... Florida State dropped out of the polls when they lost to Florida. Does that mean Florida isn't respected? Ohio State dropped out of the polls when they lost to Xavier. Does that mean Xavier isn't respected? Oregon dropped out of the polls when they lost to BYU. Does that mean BYU isn't respected? Xavier dropped out of the polls when they lost to Iowa State. Does that mean Iowa State isn't respected? It's become increasingly clear that wolfman2020 is only here to troll. Pinnum, I was thinking the same about Wolfman. I have been posting for a long time, and he is following the same model of many other trolls. The troll trys to ingratiate himself, sounding knowledgeable, making intelligent posts. Posters usually agree, but eventually the true colors show. Negative, argumentative, then some block him, and eventually he disappears. I can't think of all the trolls, like nycbonnie15. Maybe that is Wolfman.
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Post by Pinnum on Nov 29, 2021 18:33:32 GMT -5
Now it is clear you're just a troll. So far this season... Florida State dropped out of the polls when they lost to Florida. Does that mean Florida isn't respected? Ohio State dropped out of the polls when they lost to Xavier. Does that mean Xavier isn't respected? Oregon dropped out of the polls when they lost to BYU. Does that mean BYU isn't respected? Xavier dropped out of the polls when they lost to Iowa State. Does that mean Iowa State isn't respected? It's become increasingly clear that wolfman2020 is only here to troll. Pinnum, I was thinking the same about Wolfman. I have been posting for a long time, and he is following the same model of many other trolls. The troll trys to ingratiate himself, sounding knowledgeable, making intelligent posts. Posters usually agree, but eventually the true colors show. Negative, argumentative, then some block him, and eventually he disappears. I can't think of all the trolls, like nycbonnie15. Maybe that is Wolfman. Yeah, I am thinking they were one of the people who stopped posting and created a new identity...
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Nov 29, 2021 18:33:49 GMT -5
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Post by tastylicks on Nov 29, 2021 18:33:49 GMT -5
Okay. If that's what you meant then I simply disagree with the term "bad loss". I consider a bad loss to be a team that should never be able to compete with a team. I am thinking of games like when Charleston Southern beat Missouri. The really long shot wins. This exchange illustrates the point I tried to make elsewhere. There is no single accepted meaning to the term "bad loss," and some large percentage of the discussion over the last many pages of this thread is the result of the fluidity of the definition of "bad loss." My first paragraph in my earlier post is in line with what bub is saying. Since the voters in the rankings, and other list makers, do not see the Bona's and UNIs of the world as they see Kansas (or Marquette for that matter), it's a bad loss for the Bonnies in the context of those rankings and probably the free hype that would have continued to accrue if it had been a win. However, at the end of the year, a different group will decide what a "bad loss" is for purposes of awarding bids to the tournament. At this time, we can't say whether UNI is a bad loss, or not. The Bonnies are now dependent on how UNI plays this year to determine that. It's reasonable to assume UNI will do fine, and the Bonnies will be fine with regard to the UNI impact on their resume, BUT the games have to be played (including Bona games) and our guys now have put themselves in a position where a game COULD be held against them. Good points. UNI has Bradley and our old friends Richmond this week. That will tell us a lot I will be infuriated if suddenly their shooting goes cold
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Nov 29, 2021 18:39:36 GMT -5
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Post by wolfman2020 on Nov 29, 2021 18:39:36 GMT -5
Pinnum, I was thinking the same about Wolfman. I have been posting for a long time, and he is following the same model of many other trolls. The troll trys to ingratiate himself, sounding knowledgeable, making intelligent posts. Posters usually agree, but eventually the true colors show. Negative, argumentative, then some block him, and eventually he disappears. I can't think of all the trolls, like nycbonnie15. Maybe that is Wolfman. Yeah, I am thinking they were one of the people who stopped posting and created a new identity... I’m not a troll, I’m a fan of the team. I have my viewpoints that’s all. Thanks for the kind words however. Happy Holidays.
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Post by letsgobonas on Nov 29, 2021 18:41:26 GMT -5
I think staying in or around the Top 30 is achievable until we get deeper into the season. If we come out of OOC with 3 losses and put together a solid A10 conference record (Top 3) I expect a seeding around 7 or 8. We aren’t the only program that will lose some games so you guys need to be realistic going forward. We have to be thinking bigger with this year's team... we should be disappointed if we aren't a 6 seed or higher... the expectation has to be a Top 20 team going into A-10 play with an opportunity to be Top 15 by year-end.
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Post by bigdobber on Nov 29, 2021 18:56:47 GMT -5
I’ll be happy to get into the field…but I think we are going to have a solid season and realistically the A10 places a minimum of two teams. 7 or 8 seed in the NCAA means we have a shot at getting out of the second round. Wouldn’t that make the season interesting. A lot of you guys put way too much weight in the weekly polls. We aren’t a Power 5 conference so stop thinking we are getting singled out. And for what it’s worth the A10 has gotten off to a lousy start with quite a few lousy losses. It seems to be getting a little better this past weekend. Let’s get back on track vs Coppin and take care of Buffalo when they come to town.
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Post by schmidtface on Nov 29, 2021 19:10:34 GMT -5
The way I see it both Clemson and UNI games were tossups. I’m happy how things turned out. Would rather have luck on our side and win VS Clemson than to win VS UNI.
We’ve had luck on our side this season. Canisius, Boise, Clemson. I’m happy with where we are
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Post by Pinnum on Nov 30, 2021 13:40:04 GMT -5
Okay. If that's what you meant then I simply disagree with the term "bad loss". I consider a bad loss to be a team that should never be able to compete with a team. I am thinking of games like when Charleston Southern beat Missouri. The really long shot wins. This exchange illustrates the point I tried to make elsewhere. There is no single accepted meaning to the term "bad loss," and some large percentage of the discussion over the last many pages of this thread is the result of the fluidity of the definition of "bad loss." My first paragraph in my earlier post is in line with what bub is saying. Since the voters in the rankings, and other list makers, do not see the Bona's and UNIs of the world as they see Kansas (or Marquette for that matter), it's a bad loss for the Bonnies in the context of those rankings and probably the free hype that would have continued to accrue if it had been a win. However, at the end of the year, a different group will decide what a "bad loss" is for purposes of awarding bids to the tournament. At this time, we can't say whether UNI is a bad loss, or not. The Bonnies are now dependent on how UNI plays this year to determine that. It's reasonable to assume UNI will do fine, and the Bonnies will be fine with regard to the UNI impact on their resume, BUT the games have to be played (including Bona games) and our guys now have put themselves in a position where a game COULD be held against them. You're right that we all have different views on performances and the only one that matters if you don't win the auto-bid is the committee. But no one win will remove a team from getting an at-large bid. We could have lost to Chicago State at home by 30 and it wouldn't matter as long as we won all our other games. We have gone through the toughest four game stretch of the schedule and came out 3-1. We have won 83% of our games thus far. On that clip we finish the year somewhere in the 25-5 range. I don't see any
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Post by ceharv on Nov 30, 2021 16:41:11 GMT -5
Plus we were essentially 27th in the AP poll, so once we get back to winning ways we’ll be in good shape to jump back in as some of those in the 15-25 range pick up more losses. Just gotta get Ws and we’ll be fine. Upcoming games will be huge challenges - really sticking my neck out with that, huh?
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Dec 6, 2021 11:20:30 GMT -5
Post by 78francis302 on Dec 6, 2021 11:20:30 GMT -5
Jerry Carino has us at #27 week 5 poll Luke Decock has us at #23 week 5 poll
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Post by 78francis302 on Dec 6, 2021 12:12:33 GMT -5
We drop to 30th
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Post by 78francis302 on Dec 6, 2021 12:13:09 GMT -5
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