A-10 Talk

[bigcat]

St Joe’s continues to roll… knocks off Princeton 74-70. The Tigers were 9-0 and had a net rank of #11 entering today’s game. Big win for the Hawks and the A10.

[Chuck]

Incredible week for the Bonnies NET. Following is from A-10 Talk Power Rankings.
— A-10 Power Rankings have Bonnies moving from 5th to 4th this week.
— Blowout wins against UB (25 points) Niagara (34 points) and Siena (31 points) has moved Bona’s NET to #71.
— According to A-10 Talk Power Rankings the Bonnies NET has improved by an incredible 56 spots for the past week.
— Next best improvement from the top 12 teams in A-10 is St. Joe’s and Duquesne improving 15 spots. St. Louis improved by 38 spots, but we are talking about moving from 258 to 220, which is equivalent to moving from awful to bad.

A-10 has another solid week.
— A-10 continues to hold 8th place in Warren Nolan’s NET rankings. Last year A-10 finished 12th.
— A-10 has the 8th best winning percentage at 65.7% which is 1% less than the Big East and 2% less than PAC 12.
— Top of the A-10 has displayed dramatic improvement this week. With 7 schools, almost half of A-10 has a NET below 100. Another 2 schools just missing with NETs of 102 and 106. Last season there were just 3 teams finishing with NET below 100. Next best had a 130 NET.

Impressive performance by A-10, with just a little more than 2 weeks left with OOC schedule. Important to note, conference NET doesn’t move much once conference games begin (as teams basically play other teams in their conference with only a few exceptions).

www.a10talk.com/2023/12/a10-mens-basketball-power-rankings-december-11-2023/
www.a10talk.com/2023/12/a10-mens-basketball-power-rankings-december-4-2023/
www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-conference
www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/net-conference

[mnbonnie]

Chuck, in the evening are usually check out a couple of college basketball games, but last night I couldn’t find much and tonight it’s just a little bit better. I checked the board a couple times a day, keeping a particular eye out for any recruiting news, which lately has been pretty slim. I never reset my Twitter account, and so I have to scroll for quite a bit defined. SRUnfurled or OSUN shot blocker all the other people I follow ere not to be found, so that makes recruiting tid bits a lot harder to come by. I was going to pack it in, but then I saw your pita, Chuck, made my day. Just have to keep chopping wood.

I also agree with the other poster about St Joe’s seen them 3 or4 times against Kentucky, Villanova and Princeton, they are solid. But I think just about the whole zA10, with maybe a few exceptions, is on the upswing,

[bigcat]

it was a mixed bag today for the A10, going 7-5 with one game still in doubt.

Dayton 82-68 over Cincinnati.

UMass beat WVU 87-79 in the second game at Springfield. WVU is having a bad year but it’s always good to take down a P6 for.

VCU over Temple. The Rams were up 50-31 at half and held on to win by 9.

SJU is destroying Iona late in the second half.

LaSalle played #24 Miami tough, losing by 7.

[Chuck]

Attached is A-10’s Talk article on FAU game. The surprising part for me was it being written by Ray Floriani. Ray was a writer of my favorite magazine of all time Eastern Basketball Magazine. Ray would cover the Bonnies for the magazine. Thanks to the internet I discovered the following.

— NIT named him “Media Man of the Year in 1999 and again in 2006.”
— Ray is a 1974 graduate of Bona.
— Student basketball manager from 1970-74.
— Member of the Bandwagon with 43 posts.

His X page describes every Bonnie with “Once a Bonnie always a Bonnie.”


www.a10talk.com/2023/12/fau-64-st-bonaventure-54-numbers-and-notes/
dalydoseofhoops.blogspot.com/p/staff.html

[Chuck]

Unfurl has following.

1. Jon Rothstein states “The Atlantic 10 has two teams --- Dayton (30) and St. Joe's (49) --- ranked in the Top 50 of the NET. They will only play ONCE during the regular season. Brutal development for a league trying to return to multi-bid status.

2. Unfurl has a solution with A10 should be creative/proactive (ha!) with scheduling:
- Play everyone once.
- Then, create 3 groups of 5 based on NET
- Teams 1-5 play each other, as do 6-10 and 11-15 I've been saying this for 4 years now.

I was curious what Unfurl's concept would look like. The 3 groups if conference play started today.
Group 1: Dayton St. Joe’s Duquense Bona G. Mason
Group 2: Umass Richmond VCU Davidson GW
Group 3: LaSalle Loyola St. Louis Fordham RI

Unfurl’s concept would improve the NET of the top 5 teams in the A-10.
— Last season A-10's top 5 teams had 20+ wins. This is comparable to other seasons.
— The difference was the other 9 teams had losing records and 7 of them had 199+ NET.
— These teams ruined the NET for the top 5 teams in the A-10.

Comparing A-10 to P-6 conferences.
— The top 4 P-6 conferences (by NET) had at most 1 team with losing record and +200 NET.
— ACC and PAC 12 had 2 teams with losing record and +200 NET.

** Mountain West sent 4 teams to this season’s NCAA Tournament. Like the Big 12, Mountain West did not have a team with a 200 NET.


www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/conference/Atlantic-10
www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/net-conference

[Chuck]

Amazing the difference between NET and RPI. One big difference is NET uses point spread. Winning by a lot and losing by a lot is very important with NET. Comparing Bona and St. Louis, I wonder which is more accurate, NET or RPI?

From NET and RPI team sheets.
— Bonnies (7-3) NET 79, RPI 149, Avg. NET wins 260 (average NET of teams Bonnies defeated).
— St.Louis (6-6) NET 210, RPI 109, Avg. NET wins 183.

Bona
— 1 loss to a team with NET over 100 (Canisius NET 133).
— Lacks a blowout loss, with largest 17 against Auburn.
— 3 blowout wins (30, 34, 33).

St. Louis
— 1 loss to a team with a NET over a 100 and it is barely over a 100, losing to Vermont (7-3) with a 103 NET.
— 1 blowout loss (39 points) and another by 19.
— Unlike Bona, St. Louis lacks a blow out win (12 point largest).
** The one stat that really stands out is the Average NET Wins. Bonnies 7 wins have come against very weak teams with a NET averaging 260, compared to 183 for St. Louis.

With their 210 NET, I was expecting St. Louis to be destroyed playing at NC State with a 63 NET. St. Louis led for entire game until 12:33 left in the game (St. Louis lost by 12).

One thing is obvious, St. Louis is a lot better than their 210 NET.


www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/schedule/Saint-Bonaventure
www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/schedule/Saint-Louis

[BONA82.5]

A10 Teams (9 Teams now in TOP 100 of NET Rankings)

UPDATED A10 KENPOM - NET Rankings as of 12/21 :

** KENPOM - NET

Dayton 37 - 23
St. Joes 77 - 48
ST. BONA 80 - 79
Duquesne 81 - 67
VCU 88 - 92
Richmond 98 - 91
G. Mason 100 - 78
Davidson 119 - 99
UMass 127 - 88
Loyola 137 - 169
GW 168 - 109

[trout95]

Dec 22, 2023 6:43:45 GMT -5 BONA82.5 said:

A10 Teams (9 Teams now in TOP 100 of NET Rankings)

UPDATED A10 KENPOM - NET Rankings as of 12/21 :

** KENPOM - NET

Dayton 37 - 23
St. Joes 77 - 48
ST. BONA 80 - 79
Duquesne 81 - 67
VCU 88 - 92
Richmond 98 - 91
G. Mason 100 - 78
Davidson 119 - 99
UMass 127 - 88
Loyola 137 - 169
GW 168 - 109

With a conference NET #8, behind Mountain West and ahead of Missouri Valley and AAC

[BONA82.5]

1. Big 12 Average NET: 56.43 Projected Tournament Teams: 8
2. Big Ten Average NET: 63.50 Projected Tournament Teams: 5
3. SEC Average NET: 72.14 Projected Tournament Teams: 7
4. Big East Average NET: 77.73 Projected Tournament Teams: 5
5. Atlantic Coast Average NET: 89.13 Projected Tournament Teams: 6
6. Pac-12 Average NET: 98.33 Projected Tournament Teams: 4
7. Mountain West Average NET: 103.18 Projected Tournament Teams: 5
8. Atlantic 10 Average NET: 124.53 Projected Tournament Teams: 1
9. Missouri Valley Average NET: 140.08 Projected Tournament Teams: 1
10. American Average NET: 142.64 Projected Tournament Teams: 2

[kccgold]

The A10 deserves more than 1 team this year. Dayton and another team. Some of the squads didnt help matters last night though.

[Chuck]

Top 9 teams in the A-10 are having a great season.
— From a-10.com “A-10 is only 1 of 4 conferences with 9 teams with a winning percentage at or above .700, with the 4 conferences being Big 12, ACC, Big 10 and A-10.” Talk about select company for A-10 to be mentioned with.
— Even bottom of A-10 compares well with the P6. Big 12, Big 10, SEC and Big East conferences have 1 team with a losing record. A-10 is tied with ACC and PAC12 with two teams with a losing record.
— Last season VCU had A-10’s best NET at 53, with Dayton 2nd at 78 NET. Now Dayton has a very impressive 25 NET. Even more impressive, the next 4 teams; St. Joes NET 64, Duquesne 66, Bona 67, and George Mason 72 have a NET better than Dayton’s final NET of 78 last season.

Last season A-10 had just 3 teams with a NET below 100. Currently A-10 has 8 teams under a 100 and another just missing out at 104.
— Having so many teams with solid NETs is going to help improve A-10 teams NET during conference games.
- Probably even more important is the bottom teams in the A-10. Last season A-10 had 9 teams finish with losing records and 7 with a NET 199+. It killed the NET of the 6 A-10 teams with 20+ wins. As mentioned only 2 teams currently have a losing record and just 3 have NETs over 200.

Unlike last season A-10 should see their NET improve during conference games. Even with a current 67 NET, it is possible for Bona to get an at large bid. Bonnies need a couple Q1 wins along with more Q2 wins. It is now possible with a much improved A-10.

** Interesting to note. Last season, Bona and Dayton were the only A-10 teams to get a Q1 win during conference games. Both earned it by defeating VCU at their place. VCU was unable to get a Q1 game, because rest of A-10 didn’t have a strong enough NET. This shows the importance of A-10 having 8 teams with solid NETs.

atlantic10.com/documents/2023/11/5/2324_MBBNotes.pdf
www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-conference
www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/conference/Atlantic-10
www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/conference/Atlantic-10

[Sipowicz]

Longwood leads Dayton 37-34 at half.

[bigcat]

Davidson up 3 in final seconds over Ohio U in first game of triple header in CLE. Praying for NO OT.

[marylandbonnie1]

A-10 went 12-1 on the day. The only loss was LaSalle v Howard.