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Post by chrismoses on Mar 13, 2024 15:35:31 GMT -5
I’m not saying we “can’t” do better without Schmidt, but it’s extremely unlikely without hitting a lotto ticket. Look no further than Davidson. Very successful program over the last 15-20 years, always competitive in the SoCon AND A10 under Bob McKillop. He leaves, the program completely loses their mojo and is now bottom feeding. And their succession plan was his son - theoretically having his dad to help “groom” him and was an assistant. And they have Steph Curry as a donor! At the very least, whenever Schmidt resigns, retires or gets let go, I’d expect at least a few years of severe drop off. I’d rather ride Schmidt and hope we ride the wave a little longer than to start anew especially without a specific target / plan in mind. I hope I’m wrong though… It's still early for Davidson, but they most certainly opted for the cheaper and easier hire. Schools like Bona and Davidson think no one would ever want to coach there, but if you're willing to shell out real $ for a coach, it's not exactly hard to get a qualified candidate. Mike Morrell, who is the head coach at UNC Asheville would have been a great hire for Davidson. He's young, obviously from the southeast and has done a nice job of improving the program over the last five years. But no, Davidson opts for the cheap hire and assumes like father like son. Well, it was most certainly cost-conscious decision, but will in work out in the long run? Who knows. Regardless, if SBU opts for a coach that has actually been a head coach and has had some success (doesn't have to be D1, but it's preferable), we can find another Mark Schmidt. Now will they stay 18 years? Probably not, but that's not a bad thing either. |
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Post by faffy444 on Mar 13, 2024 16:26:20 GMT -5
very glad to see PRIDE getting touches and taking shots
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Post by faffy444 on Mar 13, 2024 16:28:32 GMT -5
now i would like to see WOODS take some treys
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Post by cb3pttee on Mar 14, 2024 10:42:46 GMT -5
Let's also pump the brakes on calling Davidson a bottom feeder, and add some context to their season.
Davidson lost 7 conference games by 2 possessions or less, 3 of which were in OT. Their A10 tourney loss was also an OT loss. Their ranks in Kenpom, Net and Torvik are respectively 122, 120, and 115. That places them at 10/15 within the conference in all 3 metrics. The gap between them and #11 in each ranking in terms of places is 58, 54, and 61. The gap between them and the number 2 team in the A10 for each ranking, in terms of places, is respectively 41, 51 & 40. Which means that in all 3 metrics, they are closer to the #2 team in the conference than they are to the #11 team in the conference, despite being #10 themselves. In other words they closer to the middle of the pack, than they are to the bottom, despite their 14th place finish.
This is also not to mention schedule - the 4 teams they played twice were Dayton, Loyola, Richmond and Fordham. Aside from maybe VCU, no one had a more challenging slate of 2x opponents. And then of course, let's consider who they lost from last year's team- their top 2 and 3 of their top 4 leading scorers, including 2x all A10 and former A10 POY candidate Foster Loyer.
This neither an endorsement nor rejection of either Schmidt nor Matt McKillop. Just a reminder that discussions are better when context and facts are considered.
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Post by kccgold on Mar 14, 2024 10:55:21 GMT -5
Let's also pump the brakes on calling Davidson a bottom feeder, and add some context to their season. Davidson lost 7 conference games by 2 possessions or less, 3 of which were in OT. Their A10 tourney loss was also an OT loss. Their ranks in Kenpom, Net and Torvik are respectively 122, 120, and 115. That places them at 10/15 within the conference in all 3 metrics. The gap between them and #11 in each ranking in terms of places is 58, 54, and 61. The gap between them and the number 2 team in the A10 for each ranking, in terms of places, is respectively 41, 51 & 40. Which means that in all 3 metrics, they are closer to the #2 team in the conference than they are to the #11 team in the conference, despite being #10 themselves. In other words they closer to the middle of the pack, than they are to the bottom, despite their 14th place finish. This is also not to mention schedule - the 4 teams they played twice were Dayton, Loyola, Richmond and Fordham. Aside from maybe VCU, no one had a more challenging slate of 2x opponents. And then of course, let's consider who they lost from last year's team- their top 2 and 3 of their top 4 leading scorers, including 2x all A10 and former A10 POY candidate Foster Loyer. This neither an endorsement nor rejection of either Schmidt nor Matt McKillop. Just a reminder that discussions are better when context and facts are considered. Well said, I'm not a big Mckillop guy, but the 1st of the year they were 10-3 with wins over Maryland, Charlotte and Ohio. Honestly a better OOC showing that what we put up. they lost some close games down the stretch and that's probably an indication of McKillop Jr.'s inexperience but its not like they are rolling out a dumpster fire. And they have a really nice piece returning with a 6'10 sophomore |
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Post by chrismoses on Mar 14, 2024 12:07:34 GMT -5
Let's also pump the brakes on calling Davidson a bottom feeder, and add some context to their season. Davidson lost 7 conference games by 2 possessions or less, 3 of which were in OT. Their A10 tourney loss was also an OT loss. Their ranks in Kenpom, Net and Torvik are respectively 122, 120, and 115. That places them at 10/15 within the conference in all 3 metrics. The gap between them and #11 in each ranking in terms of places is 58, 54, and 61. The gap between them and the number 2 team in the A10 for each ranking, in terms of places, is respectively 41, 51 & 40. Which means that in all 3 metrics, they are closer to the #2 team in the conference than they are to the #11 team in the conference, despite being #10 themselves. In other words they closer to the middle of the pack, than they are to the bottom, despite their 14th place finish. This is also not to mention schedule - the 4 teams they played twice were Dayton, Loyola, Richmond and Fordham. Aside from maybe VCU, no one had a more challenging slate of 2x opponents. And then of course, let's consider who they lost from last year's team- their top 2 and 3 of their top 4 leading scorers, including 2x all A10 and former A10 POY candidate Foster Loyer. This neither an endorsement nor rejection of either Schmidt nor Matt McKillop. Just a reminder that discussions are better when context and facts are considered. Well said, I'm not a big Mckillop guy, but the 1st of the year they were 10-3 with wins over Maryland, Charlotte and Ohio. Honestly a better OOC showing that what we put up. they lost some close games down the stretch and that's probably an indication of McKillop Jr.'s inexperience but its not like they are rolling out a dumpster fire. And they have a really nice piece returning with a 6'10 sophomore Their big David Skogman? Also missed the entire A10 slate. |
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Post by kccgold on Mar 14, 2024 12:28:28 GMT -5
Well said, I'm not a big Mckillop guy, but the 1st of the year they were 10-3 with wins over Maryland, Charlotte and Ohio. Honestly a better OOC showing that what we put up. they lost some close games down the stretch and that's probably an indication of McKillop Jr.'s inexperience but its not like they are rolling out a dumpster fire. And they have a really nice piece returning with a 6'10 sophomore Their big David Skogman? Also missed the entire A10 slate. no I was talking about Reed Bailey |
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Post by chrismoses on Mar 14, 2024 13:39:27 GMT -5
Their big David Skogman? Also missed the entire A10 slate. no I was talking about Reed Bailey I was just saying Davidson would have probably been much better had their big guy (Skogman) been healthy all year. He averaged 13 ppg and 5 rpg in 17 games. |
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Post by ewenke13 on Mar 14, 2024 21:24:21 GMT -5
See, coach knew what he was doing this whole time! He knew the double bye was a land mine and navigated around it! LOL
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Post by coach on Mar 14, 2024 21:32:09 GMT -5
See, coach knew what he was doing this whole time! He knew the double bye was a land mine and navigated around it! LOL That is hilarious!!! |
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Post by marylandbonnie1 on Mar 14, 2024 22:49:32 GMT -5
Congratulations to Coach and the team for achieving a 20( or more) win season. Officially, this is the sixth time Schmidt has accomplished a 20 or better winning season.
Praying for 22 wins!
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Post by OceanStateBonnie on Mar 15, 2024 6:06:09 GMT -5
How about 28?!!!
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Post by ceharv on Mar 16, 2024 10:10:45 GMT -5
A couple of noteworthy points from the game notes on the A10 website today - with Schmidt as coach Bonas is 16-11 in the A10 tournament and has made at least the quarterfinals in 9 of the last 11 tournaments played and has won at least one game in 9 of the 14 times they’ve qualified with Schmidt and this year marks the 6th time they have reached the semifinals, with 3 previous trips to the finals, winning in 2012 and 2021. This year is our 6th 20-win season under Mark.
First, that is an impressive resume.
Second, it gets us exactly zero points to start today’s game and I am not sure anyone on the current roster would be aware of that history, or care for that matter. And they probably shouldn’t. Duquesne’s players won’t care or be intimated by the success of players who are no longer on the roster.
Third, we can and should be impressed.
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Post by ddsmugs on Mar 16, 2024 11:15:43 GMT -5
Speaking of 20....going into season felt like we had 6 players maybe 7 capable of scoring 20 points in a game on any given night....not sure we have had a roster like that in years past.
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Post by bonaballa1 on Mar 16, 2024 22:36:35 GMT -5
Now that the season is officially over, I can say I really didn’t enjoy our style of play. It was way too slow and methodical. The halfcourt offense was hard to watch more often than not. Each game it seemed like we would go through extended scoring droughts. The obsession with feeding Venning was absolutely mind boggling. Even when we had Nicholson, Schmidt’s teams were never this focused on getting one player the ball. It became predictable and one dimensional.
I feel like every offseason we talk about having a team that can play uptempo and it just never transpires. Schmidt prefers the methodical approach. It worked with the iron 5 because they played together for 4 years. This team just could never find that consistency.
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