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Post by dadster81 on May 20, 2024 11:54:34 GMT -5
Discussed among posters under various threads, the days of "normal" college basketball (and football for those who watch it) are gone. This week could be the arrival of the iceberg that sinks the vast majority of us. The NCAA and the Power Conferences have negotiated a legal settlement that is up for a vote, that seems to (shockingly) support the Power Conferences. Big East and the Group of 5 (AAC, CUSA, MAC, Mountain West, and Sun Belt) are going to argue against it, and so expect any other changes to benefit these additional conferences, and the rest of us to get dumped on. As I said in previous threads, the Power Conferences should just leave, maybe take the Big East with them and let the NCAA reset itself. Remember when reading this article, College Football Playoffs are not run by the NCAA, and so it throws off all of the %s and allocations used here (part of the Big East complaint). My first blush is that Bona may have to pay in a little to the settlement - most of the monies from the Atlantic 10 will come from less distributions from the NCAA. sports.yahoo.com/ncaas-settlement-proposal-facing-strong-objection-from-big-east-194238228.html |
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Post by maplehurst on May 20, 2024 19:21:56 GMT -5
The Titanic reference is appropriate. The Titanic would not have sunk if she had hit the iceberg head on. Maybe the mid-majors and minors should take it to the majors. It's anyone's guess what would happen.
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Post by Pinnum on May 21, 2024 8:06:46 GMT -5
The Titanic reference is appropriate. The Titanic would not have sunk if she had hit the iceberg head on. Maybe the mid-majors and minors should take it to the majors. It's anyone's guess what would happen. I would take it head on. Turn down the settlement. |
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Post by skeller6 on May 21, 2024 11:28:25 GMT -5
Dadster 81 - many thanks for the update.
Its gut check time. Will the Mid Major Conferences and the remaining independents, such as the A10, MAAC, MAC, Big East, etc., etc. get together and oppose the money grab payout?
If they do not coalesce and fight hard, the Power 5 will roll over the Mid Majors programs like the Germans took France in May 1940.........there will be no negotiations at that point only edicts.......pay athletes salaries, fund super NIL's, etc., etc., programs that most Mid Majors can not possibly afford.
The only solution as I see it is for Power 5 and the Mid Majors to split entirely (assuming the Power 5 win the NCAA battle), each with its own separate rules and regulations and tournaments too.
Bonas and CC and Niagara could never afford to pay athletes hundreds of thousands of dollars per year in salaries in addition to massive NIL stipends, and that is the final, realistic bottom line.
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Post by dadster81 on May 21, 2024 12:36:46 GMT -5
The one issue we (and other non huge schools) will always face is the $ race. NIL - Now its legal. Athletes will care less about swanky locker rooms and practice facilities, and more about cash. Just human nature. So even if there is the (in my mind, inevitable) split, we will still lose players to better funded programs, and we will take from smaller funded programs.
Expect to see schools like Arkansas St to rise (why? I dont know who is funding them but they are using NIL $ to pay Buffalo Player of the Year to be a walk on - that is deeper pockets than we have I think), Duquense with Lebron's backing and relationships, while other schools to fall in the basketball world. I think Coach has been great for Bonas, but I am starting to think that a coach that costs half as much, and somehow get the savings over into player's compensation, will lead to better players, and maybe players that stay longer. And hopefully a better performing team. Players are now going to be mercenaries for the most part, and we have to accept it - as much as it goes against all of Bona basketball history.
As the article said, this is the end of amateur revenue sports. No more Russia vs USA in Olympic basketball thinking anymore (shout out to the 70s Olympics).
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Post by dadster81 on May 22, 2024 15:29:50 GMT -5
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Post by geneseo on May 22, 2024 19:12:01 GMT -5
Dadster go for a walk in the sunshine. Firing Schmidt going to club sports? Cheer up.
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Post by dadster81 on May 24, 2024 8:00:05 GMT -5
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Post by ceharv on May 24, 2024 8:46:19 GMT -5
I understand the proposal has been adopted in some form, with billions expected to go from schools to past and future athletes. I am okay with that. College sports will adapt, survive and thrive, including Bona hoops. The concept of athletes as amateurs will finally die, except for replays of “Chariots of Fire”. IMO, it’s about time.
Interestingly this could have been avoided or minimized if the NCAA decades ago had listened to. . . Joe Paterno! JoePa saw the unfairness of the situation and spoke in support of finding a way to provide athletes with some money. I recall him saying that college football, with off season training, had become a full time job. He also noted that many of the athletes were from poor families and that on campus jobs were viewed with so much suspicion (for fear of pay abuses for little or no real work) that those jobs were not available as an alternative, leaving many of the kids without enough spare change to, for example, take their girlfriends out for pizza and a coke, or buy themselves a new pair of jeans (this was back when jeans were cheap). The idea that absolutely no money should go to these kids and ruining the purity of their amateurism, has been archaic for decades and it’s about time it’s done away with, IMO.
Bonus opinion -> Chariots of Fire, maybe the only movie dealing with the sport of track, is terrific. If you’re not familiar with it, find it and watch it. It won an Academy Award for a reason.
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Post by bigcat on May 24, 2024 9:52:15 GMT -5
Yes college sports will adapt but the traditional fan will leave. The new fans primarily are interested in sports for gambling purposes. Is that fandom?
Do you really think most Bona fans will stay loyal? Alums and locals love the university community and the hoops program because of tradition… and because we get attached to players.
Both reasons are diminished. It’s not doom and gloom. It’s just different. Many old timers will never have the same passion for SBU hoops that was forged through loyal players and personalities.
I couldn’t name half the roster for this upcoming season without going through the threads or to the athletics website. Then when most of these guys leave next spring it will be worse.
Most of us made the mistake of getting overly excited about Pride, MAW, Barry, Assa, Moses and Chad.
Not at the point yet where I turn my back on Bona hoops — far from it — but I can see it coming… much like my dad (life long Yankees fan) became apathetic about MLB when free agency became prolific in the 1970s and 1980s. I couldn’t understand why.
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Post by ceharv on May 24, 2024 11:09:38 GMT -5
Bigcat - certainly some traditional fans will stop watching, but all? No way IMO, because at least one will stay - me and I doubt I will be alone. And some who stop watching will return. Change is difficult but in my experience people get used to changes and in this case I think they will not loose their passion for their Alma Mater, whether that be Penn State, Bonas or wherever.if you are truly passionate the fact the kids are getting paid won’t matter, at least not enough to quit watching forever.
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Post by maplehurst on May 24, 2024 12:23:20 GMT -5
I remember driving to St. joes, LaSalle, Temple, Fordham, Binghamton, and Cornell to follow the Bonnies. I really enjoyed it. Saw so many people. But as I have recently posted that the last 2 minutes of games has gone into endless stoppages of play, the games have become tedious. Now with the demise of the student athlete concept ending, it will be much less interesting for me. After so many seasons of Bonnie's basketball and college sports in general, I plan this to be my last season.
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Post by bigcat on May 24, 2024 12:53:59 GMT -5
Bigcat - certainly some traditional fans will stop watching, but all? No way IMO, because at least one will stay - me and I doubt I will be alone. And some who stop watching will return. Change is difficult but in my experience people get used to changes and in this case I think they will not loose their passion for their Alma Mater, whether that be Penn State, Bonas or wherever.if you are truly passionate the fact the kids are getting paid won’t matter, at least not enough to quit watching forever. I did not say ALL… just said it will be way different and many/most will struggle to stay engaged. |
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Post by towniegrad on May 24, 2024 13:00:15 GMT -5
Sadly things change. Sports are more money driven…….basketball is still a good game but it is more pleasurable at the high school level…especially if you get to watch a neighbor,relative, or other player you have some relationship with.. Find. Interest in the game and players,not the hype.
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Post by skeller6 on May 24, 2024 16:08:32 GMT -5
This is utter disaster, the mid majors are now history, separate and apart from the Power 5 NCAA gross corruption.
We have entered the era of college athlete payola, and Bonas has no ability to compete with the billions of dollars available for the Power 5 schools.
In a way its a return to the past for the mid majors, they will now have a separate tournament, and no salaries. Its going to be like college sports prior to 1990 and in a way I will enjoy the return.
Let the Power 5 debase themselves, and turn pro, no one will watch that schiff show. The mid majors will be the cherished sanctuary of amateur sports for the love of sport.
I will not give one penny to any NIL, only to the BAF for all athletes...................
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