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Post by Jimmy Chitwood on Apr 4, 2015 13:52:58 GMT -5
I didn't see any mention of Mullins connecting with Rucker Park program directors. Are you suggesting that the Bona staff does not communicate with high school coaches and AAU contacts/coaches? Essentially, that is what Mullins is doing. Not to mention, St. John's is located in Jamaica, NY. I suppose that the recruits that Bona has signed during Schmidt's tenure have fallen out of the sky. The Bona staff works damn hard at recruiting and they turn over stones looking for hidden gems. Some of the implications in this thread are mind numbing.
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Post by bjif on Apr 4, 2015 15:48:09 GMT -5
Don't think that was AZ's intent. That NY Post article was very informative and could be used as a recruiting formula by every school in the nation. Read how the NYC coaches are responding to the effort.
I think Bill's intent is to say use the contacts that you have instead of ignoring people who can help your program. Why would you NOT make the call.
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Post by az63 on Apr 4, 2015 17:17:59 GMT -5
So this "warm lead" is New York city in general? That is quite helpful. Wow, did you even read my posts? The lead is the guy who runs the Rucker program. Chris Mullin is an example of turning over every rock to find a prospect. Sorry to throw two thoughts at you at once.
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Post by 2fal4life on Apr 4, 2015 17:37:43 GMT -5
Maybe we don't recruit NYC hard b/c we can't get kids interested enough in coming here. We recruited Severe hard, only for him to stay home and become totally irrelevant. We had another kid from CTK, won't publically bash him here as I don't know if we still have contact, but decided prep was the better route. And finally, we all have the sour taste from Saint Bob Hurley and his merry band of jokers that thought Eli was too good for us...and he backed out first chance he got. So maybe any one if those reasons are why we are skiddish about NYC.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2015 17:38:45 GMT -5
This is apparently the way of the world now, but this much turnover suggests another chaotic OOC with damning losses in games expected to be won. I hope it turns out well for Adams , Alston , and Smith., but I fail to see how them leaving is going to translate into damning losses. They. Never played and weren't going to next year. Kids want to play and if you look at the list of transfers this is not a unique situation to SBU. If we get some replacements next year could be a great year. Yup! They were never going to see the floor.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2015 17:48:04 GMT -5
Jh ....you seem to be a thorn in the side. You are an old timer right? Then you should realize that if not for Sam Stith....There would be no Tom Stith.....and if neither of them came....There never would have been a Bob Lanier here..no NIT........and we would probably be div 2 right now. Circumstances occurring long ago lead to your belief that bona s a very special hot bed of basketball activity....that any recruit in the country should want ..... It is special......but they (the coaches) have to work their n*** s off just to get a player to take a look. Its a numbers game anymore. There are 350 universities all wanting the same thing, Quit your complaining. It's 2015......not 1965 PS: I will also say....if Bonnies get some of the players they are after...the Stiths' and Mr Lanier would be proud......and, just maybe, a little jealous... How did Joe Lombardi and Rob Lanier continually attract 1st team A10 talent ? Quit drinking the smear koolaid that our school or town or conference are not good enough Those past coaches NEVER had a 6 bid conference to recruit kids into nor an A10 tourney held in the Barclays - yet they got top kids What will it take for you to admit these guys cant recruit worth a _____? ? The 6 bids happened once.. You are talking like it happens all the time..... Have you seen where the a10 tournament will be next year? It won't be at the Barclay's Center.... The conference isn't good enough.. Why does our tournament continue to move? Then why don't we get killer recruits? Our out of conference schedule was pathetic. We beat VCU when two of their stars were out.. I win is a win, but come on man.... The conference was smaller and better in the 80s/early 90s.... Temple and Umass were top 15 teams each year.... West Virginia was very good...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2015 17:50:41 GMT -5
Alright, jh. So let's just fire Schmidt. Let's fire him. It's clear that he's not a good enough recruiter for you. You say that we can't "excuse" his actions. So let's just go ahead and fire the guy that's 70-55 overall and 33-33 in conference since the 2011-2012 season. You know what, you mentioned Rob Lanier as a great recruiting success story. Let's hire him! He recruits "first-team A-10 players" in your own words. Let's scoop him up. This will be exciting! You know, except for the fact that he was a head coach at Siena and went 58-70 overall and 34-38 in his conference. What conference did he coach in? Oh yeah, it was the MAAC. Get real. Seriously, just get real. He simply needs to recruit better - he himself (not me) just escorted 5 players out the door in last 2 years - he scouted and he brought in. The impact? Look at the UMass game where Jay Adams fouled out with 2 mins to go but due to poor recruiting we did not have a viable backup PG to handle the ball - we turnover multiple times and lose a key A10 game. Missing on 5 players over 2 years = 13th, 9th & 7th place finishes. Crazy me I wish for our team to do better - and it seems the greatest room for improvement is in the recruitment of players. Where do you think we can improve to get better? He has another opportunity here now with 5 rides - lets see what it brings. Rick Pitino on Zagsblog last week: “College coaching is a lot different than pro coaching,” Pitino said here when I asked his thoughts on the matter. “Pat Riley leaving the booth, going into coaching, Steve Kerr, it’s a little different. College coaching is all about recruiting. It starts with recruiting. So whoever they hire, if he has the potential to be a great recruiter, regardless of how much he knows about basketball — because you’ve got to be on the phone with AAU coaches. You’ve got to get in at 6:30. You’ve got to work until late at night. So you’ve got to understand the dynamics of it.” Very true... you can't totally miss on five players/ say the coach is really doing it.... Its all about recruiting. Yea five rides ....
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Post by 2fal4life on Apr 4, 2015 17:57:50 GMT -5
Just to remind as some people conveniently forget...i graduated in 2000 and its not like we didn't have transfers back then. Are you Lombardi lovers absolutely sure he didnt recruit Etienne Norris, Eric Siegrist, hamilton Rucker? We had a juco in Bobby Jingles (not even going to pretend how to spell last name) who never played. And whoever gets the credit for Vidal has to get the blame for the ship wasted on Elton Ruddock.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2015 18:10:34 GMT -5
So this "warm lead" is New York city in general? That is quite helpful. Wow, did you even read my posts? The lead is the guy who runs the Rucker program. Chris Mullin is an example of turning over every rock to find a prospect. Sorry to throw two thoughts at you at once. Az. I do get that it is the head of the Rucker program. Can you name some current players who went through that program? Who went to schools similar to SBU? I do usually read your posts (maybe not all but most) primarily because I think of you as an angry man who hates Mark Schmidt and hopes he fails. It really is quite entertaining.
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Post by dadster81 on Apr 4, 2015 19:51:05 GMT -5
Abe is back. Fantastic. I was about to look under the bridge to see if he was there still.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2015 21:02:59 GMT -5
Maybe we don't recruit NYC hard b/c we can't get kids interested enough in coming here. We recruited Severe hard, only for him to stay home and become totally irrelevant. We had another kid from CTK, won't publically bash him here as I don't know if we still have contact, but decided prep was the better route. And finally, we all have the sour taste from Saint Bob Hurley and his merry band of jokers that thought Eli was too good for us...and he backed out first chance he got. So maybe any one if those reasons are why we are skiddish about NYC. St. Anthony's is not in NYC... It is in New Jersey.... E. Carter is a good player. He played well his freshman season at RU/ played well last year at U of F.
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Post by bva on Apr 4, 2015 22:28:15 GMT -5
Actually, St. Anthony's is on Long Island (my h.s. alma mater); St. Anthony is in Jersey City, NJ.
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Post by brownindian11 on Apr 4, 2015 22:34:17 GMT -5
Travis Atson from CTK is prepping at South Kent and would have been a senior this year. He re classed to 2016. His father said he hadn't heard from us in awhile 4 months ago. I hope we are recruiting him still. I don't get how him prepping is similar to carters situation. Completely different.
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Post by 2fal4life on Apr 5, 2015 1:42:00 GMT -5
We were Atson's best offer and he went prep to get bigger looks. Guess the staff got the hint. That was my only point there.
Some of us consider the greater NYC area to inclue NJ, but thanks for pointing out the geography lesson for me. And my point had nothing to do with the kid not being good but rather him completely screwing us.
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Post by brownindian11 on Apr 5, 2015 8:07:27 GMT -5
Ok if you consider a junior in high school not commiting w/ us BC we were his "best offer" completely screwing us over you don't get it. Happy Easter.
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