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Post by thesenator on May 10, 2016 14:36:19 GMT -5
gdub - Thanks for the info. I hope that many folks take the time to send along their thoughts about their own requirements for the President of this great university located on one of the most beautiful campuses in America. The process needs input from all sectors of our community. Go Bonas! 1dev is right...take the time to send your thoughts to the committee...i did mine this morning...warning: not a lot of lines to write so if you tend to be long-winded (myself included) think of what you absolutely want the committee to hear and get that in the 5-6 lines given...there are 3-4 questions that are given to act as a guide if you want one to help you...you may to focus on 1 of the questions or just disregard it and do your own thing but, however you do it, here's hoping all our points of view are heard/considered and that our next president will be top-notch and lead bonas for years to come...
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Post by Bona84 on May 11, 2016 7:06:24 GMT -5
Firstdev - I often take exception to your posts, but your comments about the Campus Ministries are spot on. Why in the world would there not be the symbols you referenced in your post? Many thanks. Yes we are a Catholic University in practice, and we need to be proud of that fact. Deleting symbols of our faith from the meeting hall at the new Campus Ministries Center sends the wrong message. Namely, that we are engaging in some type of politically correct rhetoric that caters to a "faith neutral" ideology. Being Catholic and Franciscan is who we are, nothing to be ashamed of in any way. We need to have no guilt about proselytizing on behalf of our faith. All are welcome to our faith. It's one room. This is clearly a major issue on campus.
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Post by thesenator on May 11, 2016 8:26:46 GMT -5
if i'm reading this correctly, the concern is that there is gonna be 1 room in the new campus ministry center that will be (for lack of a better term) a "multi-faith" room where there won't be any symbols of any faith but a place where anyone of any faith can gather...and the concern of some is that there is no symbol in the room of the catholic faith...my response would be: why not have symbols of every faith that is represented on the bona campus present in this "multi-faith" room...have a crucifix...a star of david...etc, etc...the presence of the symbols would tell everyone this is a room for those of any faith....but you know what?-it's not the symbol that makes the believer...it's the action(s) of the person that tells others what they believe...so here's hoping that actions, not words or symbols, will do the talking...
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Post by maplehurst on May 11, 2016 10:59:28 GMT -5
It was drummed into our heads that the Catholic Religion was the "one true faith". This was done at St. John's School by no less than the Franciscan Sisters of Allegheny. I think no symbols in the room is more appropriate than symbols of every faith, that is if Catholic continues to be the one true faith.
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Post by efsboca on May 11, 2016 11:48:06 GMT -5
It was drummed into our heads that the Catholic Religion was the "one true faith". This was done at St. John's School by no less than the Franciscan Sisters of Allegheny. I think no symbols in the room is more appropriate than symbols of every faith, that is if Catholic continues to be the one true faith. I agree, no symbols in that room. Just because we are a catholic school does not mean we cannot cater to non Catholics. ND does it all the time. Tolerance of others will still allow people to learn from the faith through actions. We don't always have to throw a cross in everyone's face, as it is clear from the priests and the chapel,and other signs that we are a catholic institution.
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Post by pbd76 on May 11, 2016 11:59:03 GMT -5
It was drummed into our heads that the Catholic Religion was the "one true faith". This was done at St. John's School by no less than the Franciscan Sisters of Allegheny. I think no symbols in the room is more appropriate than symbols of every faith, that is if Catholic continues to be the one true faith. I agree, no symbols in that room. Just because we are a catholic school does not mean we cannot cater to non Catholics. ND does it all the time. Tolerance of others will still allow people to learn from the faith through actions. We don't always have to throw a cross in everyone's face, as it is clear from the priests and the chapel,and other signs that we are a catholic institution. I don't think ND adheres very closely to Catholic doctrine much anymore.
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Post by pax on May 11, 2016 16:05:35 GMT -5
ND is 80% catholic, with a chapel and a priest in ever dome, and daily mass. Many seniors do a "chapel crawl"' I.e. attending mass at every dorm. I think ND does follow its catholic doctrine.
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Post by firstdev on May 12, 2016 7:14:47 GMT -5
We are not and should not be catering to non Catholics, we should be welcoming them to our faith. As such you display the symbols of our Catholic faith and Franciscan tradition with great pride. You don't hide them. Deliberately removing our Christian symbols from the main meeting hall in the new Campus Ministries Center, in a Catholic university, is just more politically correct gibberish and indicates a type of attitude that clearly states that we are not willing to advocate for our Catholic principles. A very strange and bizarre decision. It radiates an attitude of fear, fear to stand up for your faith. St. Francis' mission to Egypt at the end of the Crusades was in fact two fold, one to end the war between the Catholics/Christian forces and the forces of the Caliphate and restore the peace, and to convert the Muslims to Catholicism. We should do no less.
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Post by sneakers on May 12, 2016 7:46:17 GMT -5
First, I've seen no third party factual information that what FD says is actually true abot the main meeting room (although I doubt he would try to spin the truth). Second, I trust Father Dan and Father Francis (who are active members of the team designing this new building) to design it with our Catholic and Franciscan faith in mind. Third, I do not buy into FD's thoughts that it is the duty of Catholics to convert Muslims (or those of any other faith) to Catholicism. The day of crusades is long gone and different religions should respect each other and support each other's right practice their religion in peace. There should be no efforts to convert those of other religions to Catholicism. Having students of different faiths present at Bonas improves the education of all students and helps promote the peaceful understanding of other religions. If only the madrassas in the Middle East thought likewise the world would be a safer place.
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Post by Bona84 on May 12, 2016 8:28:46 GMT -5
Stop making so much sense, sneakers.
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Post by pbd76 on May 12, 2016 8:44:40 GMT -5
ND is 80% catholic, with a chapel and a priest in ever dome, and daily mass. Many seniors do a "chapel crawl"' I.e. attending mass at every dorm. I think ND does follow its catholic doctrine. On social issues such as sanctity of life for example? Not from what I've seen.
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Post by RochesterBonnie on May 12, 2016 8:59:30 GMT -5
We are not and should not be catering to non Catholics, we should be welcoming them to our faith. As such you display the symbols of our Catholic faith and Franciscan tradition with great pride. You don't hide them. Deliberately removing our Christian symbols from the main meeting hall in the new Campus Ministries Center, in a Catholic university, is just more politically correct gibberish and indicates a type of attitude that clearly states that we are not willing to advocate for our Catholic principles. A very strange and bizarre decision. It radiates an attitude of fear, fear to stand up for your faith. St. Francis' mission to Egypt at the end of the Crusades was in fact two fold, one to end the war between the Catholics/Christian forces and the forces of the Caliphate and restore the peace, and to convert the Muslims to Catholicism. We should do no less. Well, you're entirely wrong on this. From our own website, Diversity at SBU: When Saint Francis of Assisi entered the hostile camp of Malik-al-Kamil, Sultan of Egypt, in the early 1200s during the Fifth Crusade, his initial goal was to convert the Sultan to Christianity. Instead the men parted with a new respect for each other's faith and culture. Here at St. Bonaventure University, we strive to walk in the footprints of St. Francis by cultivating a campus-wide environment for celebrating multi-culturalism and diversity, and to instill in all of our community members an appreciation for the similarities and differences that we encounter as citizens of the world. It's part of our Franciscan values, part of what is means to be a Franciscan University.
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Post by gdub2009 on May 12, 2016 9:11:26 GMT -5
I personally think showing what ministry is all about and showing the corporal works of mercy throughout the meeting room would set a good tone. Showing pictures of feeding the hungry, giving drink to the thirsty, clothing people, sheltering the homeless, visiting those in prison, comforting the sick, and burying the dead would be good. I think this focus in the main room would set a good tone. I personally would also put Christian symbols in the main meeting room, but these pictures don't technically have to have any Christian symbols with them. The ultimate goal would be to get students of all faiths working together to minister to the surrounding community and beyond. I don't think you need to have Christian symbols in the meeting room to accomplish this.
I think sometimes as Catholics we get caught up with telling people what to do rather then just giving them a good example to follow. I believe students seeing what a true Catholic follower is rather than being told what one is has more merit, and has a higher probability of the student respecting our religion or converting to it.
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Post by thesenator on May 12, 2016 12:26:32 GMT -5
I personally think showing what ministry is all about and showing the corporal works of mercy throughout the meeting room would set a good tone. Showing pictures of feeding the hungry, giving drink to the thirsty, clothing people, sheltering the homeless, visiting those in prison, comforting the sick, and burying the dead would be good. I think this focus in the main room would set a good tone. I personally would also put Christian symbols in the main meeting room, but these pictures don't technically have to have any Christian symbols with them. The ultimate goal would be to get students of all faiths working together to minister to the surrounding community and beyond. I don't think you need to have Christian symbols in the meeting room to accomplish this. I think sometimes as Catholics we get caught up with telling people what to do rather then just giving them a good example to follow. I believe students seeing what a true Catholic follower is rather than being told what one is has more merit, and has a higher probability of the student respecting our religion or converting to it. home run, gdub...our baseball team is fighting for an a-10 playoff spot today, tomorrow and saturday...we could use ya...
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Post by firstdev on May 12, 2016 14:16:55 GMT -5
That's not the point - Catholics act as they preach - for example the Catholic Overseas Relief Services - feeding and clothing millions of the poor all over the world, but especially in the Third World, or Catholic Health Services caring for the medical needs of the poor all over the world, but especially in the Third World. Or the the Catholic educational system, often the only source of education in many destitute nations. Our corporal works of mercy are in renown, and I challenge anyone to name another religious organization that even comes close to what Catholics do daily (hint - there are none). We have nothing to be ashamed of, in fact we are the light.
As such we need to be consistent and determined not to let secular humanism encroach on our campus. Removing or banning Catholic and Franciscan symbols from our new Campus Ministries Building main meeting hall panders to a Catholic political correctness that alludes to some sort of inferiority complex. We are certainly not that. Be proud to display the symbols of faith that have and continue to do such incredible good through the world on an everyday basis.
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