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Dec 10, 2018 11:01:10 GMT -5
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Post by Bonafan71 on Dec 10, 2018 11:01:10 GMT -5
Had a great seat 3rd row next to one of the rims. I watched osun and ikpeze closely. Osun is smart. Gets into position, tries to draw charges and won’t let himself get drawn out from under the rim.
Ikpeze on the other hand is a defensive mess. Totally lost. Many of those fouls in the first half were questionable but not ikpeze’s. He’d get beat to the rim and then twice completely smacked the arms of the ub player and then had the gall to argue with the refs. It was embarrassing. In the second half i watched three separate times as the ball bounced off his hands/chest into the arms of a ub player.
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Dec 10, 2018 11:30:35 GMT -5
Post by towniegrad on Dec 10, 2018 11:30:35 GMT -5
Very hard to grow up playing soccer and then retrain all yourvttrained reactions for. Hoops.
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12/8
Dec 10, 2018 12:08:22 GMT -5
Post by firstdev on Dec 10, 2018 12:08:22 GMT -5
Had a great seat 3rd row next to one of the rims. I watched osun and ikpeze closely. Osun is smart. Gets into position, tries to draw charges and won’t let himself get drawn out from under the rim. Ikpeze on the other hand is a defensive mess. Totally lost. Many of those fouls in the first half were questionable but not ikpeze’s. He’d get beat to the rim and then twice completely smacked the arms of the ub player and then had the gall to argue with the refs. It was embarrassing. In the second half i watched three separate times as the ball bounced off his hands/chest into the arms of a ub player. I am really puzzled as to the regression this season of AI. He seemed to be making very good progress last year. This year however he is completely inconsistent, no getting into good position, failing to score in the paint, and with a case of tin hands too...........
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Dec 10, 2018 12:11:58 GMT -5
Post by firstdev on Dec 10, 2018 12:11:58 GMT -5
I don't think I've really talked much smack, have I? Bona's a good program that I'm happy to beat.. Someone accused our coach of cheating, someone said he is riding Hurley's coat tails talent wise, and I popped over to say Hi and correct a couple of errors. If that's not welcome here, well ciao, and see oyu next year. You'll have to excuse some of the saltiness because none of the UB posters that have been in this thread bothered to come over here over the last 10 years. There is 1 that I can think of and I havent even seen them post here this season. Then suddenly you all are feeling pretty good and have the stones to open your mouths. The crap I saw on twitter is more was is sticking under my craw right now. My reply was specific to "kevin", who I am sure is a long time UB fan. I do understand that calling a coach a cheater after a loss looks bad but I have been calling Oats a cheater for longer than that. I know how the sausage is made. All that being said, you guys have a great team and I wish success for the rest of the year. A good UB is good for all of us. UB is a huge soul-less wasteland......
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12/8
Dec 10, 2018 12:28:36 GMT -5
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Post by class70 on Dec 10, 2018 12:28:36 GMT -5
A couple of notes on subjects previously discussed in this thread or elsewhere on the bandwagon: (1) Mark Schmidt evidently believes we have a rivalry with UB as that's how he referred to it in his pre-game interview with Gary on WPIG. (2) There are metrics for a team's experience and the continuity of the players with one another on kenpom. His experience datum for the Bonnies is 1.22 years, which ranks 308th in Division I. For continuity--which measures the percentage of playing minutes represented by a player who also played last year--he pegs Bona at 20.4%, which ranks #331 in Division I. We should go easy on dissing the MAC. Kenpom ranked that conference ahead of the A10 a few weeks ago, but some recent marquee wins has got us back to #9 while the MAC is currently #11. Regardless, Kent State outpointed us by 20 in a scrimmage, we lost to Akron by 12 on a neutral floor and to UB on our court by 18. They are worthy opponents and we look forward to many future games. It's great to have a team of UB's recent stature an easy commute away and willing to play annual home and home games that sell out the RC or give us more exposure in the important Buffalo market.
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12/8
Dec 10, 2018 13:05:27 GMT -5
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Post by tastylicks on Dec 10, 2018 13:05:27 GMT -5
Had a great seat 3rd row next to one of the rims. I watched osun and ikpeze closely. Osun is smart. Gets into position, tries to draw charges and won’t let himself get drawn out from under the rim. Ikpeze on the other hand is a defensive mess. Totally lost. Many of those fouls in the first half were questionable but not ikpeze’s. He’d get beat to the rim and then twice completely smacked the arms of the ub player and then had the gall to argue with the refs. It was embarrassing. In the second half i watched three separate times as the ball bounced off his hands/chest into the arms of a ub player. Osun is a smart player. You can tell by the way he approaches the game. He plays controlled and he already has good positioning. Something that kind of bothers me... an average dude in the red seats... is the lack of people hitting the boards on offense. A shot goes off and most players give up on it or get right back on D. not Osun though. he crashes the boards nicely. Ikpeze, I understand the criticism in some ways. But UB's best big man Perkins was shut down offensively Saturday and Ikpeze had a lot to do with that.
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Dec 10, 2018 13:42:12 GMT -5
Post by Pinnum on Dec 10, 2018 13:42:12 GMT -5
We should go easy on dissing the MAC. Kenpom ranked that conference ahead of the A10 a few weeks ago, but some recent marquee wins has got us back to #9 while the MAC is currently #11. Conference rankings mean very little. Teams aren't really judged by the average ranking of their schedule but by the number of top teams in the conference. The MAC has many average teams. The A10 is more of a barbell. Ranking | Conference | Top-100 Teams | Sub-200 Teams Sagarin | A10 | 6 | 3 KenPom | A10 | 5 | 3 Sagarin | MAC | 2 | 2 KenPom | MAC | 2 | 1 Playing top teams is what matters. You can play some weak teams if you also play good teams. It is about opportunity to play quality programs and about the landmine of the conference tournament when there are many high performing teams in the conference tournament.
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Post by Jive36 on Dec 10, 2018 14:17:20 GMT -5
Something that kind of bothers me... an average dude in the red seats... is the lack of people hitting the boards on offense. A shot goes off and most players give up on it or get right back on D. not Osun though. he crashes the boards nicely. I think most teams have focused on limiting transition opportunities which means that zero or one player goes for the offensive board. If LG was playing we might see more times that we have two guys going for the offensive rebound because Griffin is an above average rebounder. One thing I'd like to see this team improve on is the guards rebounding in general. Adams, Mobley, and Taqqee were pretty good rebounders for guards and so far Lofton and Poyser are not there yet.
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Dec 10, 2018 14:29:48 GMT -5
Post by Jive36 on Dec 10, 2018 14:29:48 GMT -5
I don't know what Kyle did to deserve a "T"...(If anyone was close to that play and could fill us in I'd like to know) but I found it coincidental that the same ref was seen being "grilled" by Oates a few minutes earlier for a call that went Bonas way when we had TWICE as many fouls called on us already at that point (10 to 5). As to the T. I believe Lofton had been warned a few possessions earlier by the same ref. There was a backcourt violation that Lofton argued was caused by a kicked ball or at least a tipped ball off the defender. When the ref reasserted the call would stand Lofton, who had the ball, wouldn't hand it to anyone and let it roll away from the UB player and ref. My initial reaction to how he rolled it away was he was lucky to not get a T just for that interaction so I think that is when he was warned. The T happened about 4 minutes after the backcourt violation.
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Post by Jive36 on Dec 10, 2018 14:41:53 GMT -5
I -- Osun played just 7 minutes in the first half. I think Osun should have played more in the 1st half. His presence makes a big difference in the paint where UB outscored the Bonnies by 8, it was even much larger in the 1st half. Osun scored just 3 points (all from the line) but he needs to be recognized for the improved play of the Bonnies in the 2nd half. Osun had 2 blocks in the 2nd half and made it much more difficult for UB to score in the paint. Osun was a big factor in UB's shooting percentage dropping from 50% in the 1st to 40% in the 2nd half. Osun took away the high percentage shots in the paint. Osun is the best example of the importance of the +/- stat. From the box score Amadi had the better stats, but Osun proved to be the more effective player by their run in the 2nd half with Osun on the court, which is reflected in the +/- stat. With Osun on the court UB only outscored Bona by 2 points, but outscored Bona by 16 with Amadi on the court. Osuns +/- of -2 led the Bonnies. gobonnies.sbu.edu/sports/m-baskbl/2018-19/files/SBU_vs._Buffalo.pdfWhile I agree with you that OO made a difference in the minutes that he played, I don't think we could have expected Schmidt to play him more than he did in the first half. 6 of the 7 first half minutes he played with 2 fouls and Schmidt almost never lets young bigs play with 2 fouls in the first half. He only got those minutes because Ikpeze also had 2 fouls by the 15 minute mark. I realize this is a knit pick compared to your overall point which I agree with. OO was able to hang with UB's bigs and hopefully that is a sign of good things to come.
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Dec 10, 2018 14:57:32 GMT -5
Post by class70 on Dec 10, 2018 14:57:32 GMT -5
We should go easy on dissing the MAC. Kenpom ranked that conference ahead of the A10 a few weeks ago, but some recent marquee wins has got us back to #9 while the MAC is currently #11. Conference rankings mean very little. Teams aren't really judged by the average ranking of their schedule but by the number of top teams in the conference. The MAC has many average teams. The A10 is more of a barbell. Ranking | Conference | Top-100 Teams | Sub-200 Teams Sagarin | A10 | 6 | 3 KenPom | A10 | 5 | 3 Sagarin | MAC | 2 | 2 KenPom | MAC | 2 | 1 Playing top teams is what matters. You can play some weak teams if you also play good teams. It is about opportunity to play quality programs and about the landmine of the conference tournament when there are many high performing teams in the conference tournament. That would be yet another reason to stop dissing a conference. We do care about conference ranking, however, because being in a stronger conference means--on average--conference wins give a greater opportunity to earn an at-large berth. That's how the P6 conferences get the lion's share of them.
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12/8
Dec 10, 2018 15:14:06 GMT -5
Post by kevin on Dec 10, 2018 15:14:06 GMT -5
I don't think I've really talked much smack, have I? Bona's a good program that I'm happy to beat.. Someone accused our coach of cheating, someone said he is riding Hurley's coat tails talent wise, and I popped over to say Hi and correct a couple of errors. If that's not welcome here, well ciao, and see oyu next year. You'll have to excuse some of the saltiness because none of the UB posters that have been in this thread bothered to come over here over the last 10 years. There is 1 that I can think of and I havent even seen them post here this season. Then suddenly you all are feeling pretty good and have the stones to open your mouths. The crap I saw on twitter is more was is sticking under my craw right now. My reply was specific to "kevin", who I am sure is a long time UB fan. I do understand that calling a coach a cheater after a loss looks bad but I have been calling Oats a cheater for longer than that. I know how the sausage is made. All that being said, you guys have a great team and I wish success for the rest of the year. A good UB is good for all of us. I've been a diehard UB fan since I was in High School. Check my Twitter feed that you seemed to reference. Calling anyone a bandwaggon UB fan is funny. How is that different than the 3-4 Bonnies fans that came over to our board to post? You generally do that the day/week you are playing that team. Speaking of referencing Twitter. Is that you Alex?
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