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Post by Pinnum on Jun 7, 2019 9:18:05 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 9:29:47 GMT -5
She wasn’t let go. She was demoted That's what I find even more interesting. Suing ones current employer is precarious enough as it is. Doing so in a manner in which a period of potentially bad press will be brought to your employer simply seems to not be in ones best interest. |
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Post by thegambler on Jun 7, 2019 9:45:29 GMT -5
She wasn’t let go. She was demoted That's what I find even more interesting. Suing ones current employer is precarious enough as it is. Doing so in a manner in which a period of potentially bad press will be brought to your employer simply seems to not be in ones best interest. Seems Prof. Hoffmann offers a pretty good off ramp to this dopeyness from the Bona admin, they should take it. "Perry and Korn said their client is seeking a remedy that could range from monetary damages or diversity training to a more creative "symbolic apology." Korn mentioned a donation to an organization advocating religious tolerance as one example." |
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Post by Pinnum on Jun 7, 2019 9:47:44 GMT -5
She wasn’t let go. She was demoted Which is an important distinction. Religious institutions can remove employees from leadership positions and those people don't get employment protections. But there is a grey area about the application of employment protections when the employee's duties do not involve leadership or religious duties. Removing her from her teaching duties may or may not be permitted under the religious exemption but I think it is pretty clear that being in a leadership position of Dean doesn't offer the employment protections. |
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Post by geneseo on Jun 7, 2019 10:05:59 GMT -5
If ever there was a topic that the Bandwagon was well equipped to talk about this is it. Buckle up!
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Post by thegambler on Jun 7, 2019 10:06:52 GMT -5
If ever there was a topic that the Bandwagon was well equipped to talk about this is it. Buckle up! we should be issuing opinions of most cases that come before the Supreme Court tbh |
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Post by efsboca on Jun 7, 2019 10:27:54 GMT -5
This presupposes that she actually WAS let go because she is a Wiccan woman. Perhaps enrollment in the J School was way down under her watch. Perhaps there were other issues. Seems like the new Dean has done wonders in his short tenure. that may be true---but if there's documented proof the administration at Bonas brought up her religion, that's so amateurish and incredibly unprofessional. The people who sit in Hopkins should have kept it to work performance, not her personal life. If her personal life was spilling over into the classrooms then it is a problem. When I attended Bonas we had classes that reviewed not only many other religions, but also classes questioning Christian beliefs. Again, we heard her story, we have not heard the school's side. When you file a suit, in my experience, you promote issues that will benefit you, you don't put in exculpatory issues for your opponent. My guess is there is more to it than what she is saying. |
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Post by DoyleBonas on Jun 7, 2019 10:30:20 GMT -5
If ever there was a topic that the Bandwagon was well equipped to talk about this is it. Buckle up! You guys miss the new arena talk yet? 🤪 If what Dr. Hoffman claims is true, Bona's really is in the wrong morally/ethically, regardless of the legality. Full disclosure: I was a JMC student/grad when she was dean. I thought she was very good. I don't know her that closely and have only talked to her a handful of times FWIW. I think the end of the article (and her staying at SBU) shows that she doesn't have too much animosity to the school. |
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Post by Saulius Dumbliauskas on Jun 7, 2019 10:30:42 GMT -5
A witch? Why can't people just be normal? Is that so hard? Just come to work and do your job.
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Post by efsboca on Jun 7, 2019 10:33:08 GMT -5
To me this is trash and some of the blame has to fall on SBU simply because someone like this never should have been hired in the first place. If you work for a private institution you should understand that you may have to adhere to certain values they want to promote. As such I don't see this as a violation of this woman's civil rights. No one is guaranteed a promotion in the constitution. You just can't be denied one based on your gender, race, religion, etc. If this happened in a public setting then sure, maybe...but when you work for a Private Franciscan University that wants to promote those values you can't do or say whatever you please. If that institution feels that you spouting off about being a witch or promoting you to a new position isn't in the best interest of their core message then that institution should have the right to do that. If this woman wants to tell everyone how great wiccans are then she should go work for SUNY Albany. Could not agree more......how in good ethics could we have hired her in the first place. She has no place whatsoever at a Catholic Franciscan University. This is just mind boggling. What administration hired her? In Schmidt We Trust Not everyone employed by the school is catholic I'm sure. Notre Dame has a number of professors of different faiths. That should not be an issue, provided they are not downgrading the faith or values of the school. If she did do that, and the journo school was not doing well (which I can understand given today's journalists), then there is something to fire/demote. More will come out as only one side is talking now, as should be the case. If her case was that good, she would would not be in the press trying to score public opinion points. |
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Post by sbu79 on Jun 7, 2019 11:33:50 GMT -5
Could not agree more......how in good ethics could we have hired her in the first place. She has no place whatsoever at a Catholic Franciscan University. This is just mind boggling. What administration hired her? In Schmidt We Trust Not everyone employed by the school is catholic I'm sure. Notre Dame has a number of professors of different faiths. That should not be an issue, provided they are not downgrading the faith or values of the school. If she did do that, and the journo school was not doing well (which I can understand given today's journalists), then there is something to fire/demote. More will come out as only one side is talking now, as should be the case. If her case was that good, she would would not be in the press trying to score public opinion points. My question, at this time, is will Vaccaro and Woj come to her press conference? |
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Post by fan4ever on Jun 7, 2019 12:57:03 GMT -5
It appears that Sister Margaret shit the bed yet again.
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Post by firstdev on Jun 7, 2019 13:59:28 GMT -5
She wasn’t let go. She was demoted She should have been fired a long time ago. Who hired her? Just another stellar move by fort group. Just unreal. |
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Post by jh on Jun 7, 2019 14:04:34 GMT -5
She wasn’t let go. She was demoted She should have been fired a long time ago. Who hired her? Just another stellar move by fort group. Just unreal. Why should she have been fired? Because she was not a Catholic? |
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Post by fan4ever on Jun 7, 2019 14:12:53 GMT -5
She wasn’t let go. She was demoted She should have been fired a long time ago. Who hired her? Just another stellar move by fort group. Just unreal. The very same Fort group that wanted to build a mosque on campus and establish an SBU branch campus in India. Crazy. Hopefully the University's liability insurance will cover legal fees and any potential settlement. |
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