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Post by efsboca on Mar 25, 2021 12:15:32 GMT -5
I think people need to realize that the days of the four year recruit might be numbered. Very rarely are you going to have a Ladarien Griffin or Dion Wright who is going to sit for the first year or two and develop into a great player. Look at our 3 current players who started at Bonas. Osun, Lofton, and Welch all played significant minutes as freshmen. The new reality is players want to play immediately, if they don't they are going to leave. Instead of criticizing Schmidt maybe we should be happy that he and his staff have embraced the new reality? Bringing in players like Holmes and Adaway is what you need to do if you want to do things like win the Atlantic 10. Vasquez and Winston are absolutely justified in leaving if they want to. The staff is justified in bringing in quality players that might be better than those that are here. You can compete or you can go elsewhere. I know this sounds a little harsh, but if we are going to continue to have the success we have had this is what needs to happen. Maybe, but not likely. We were last among tournament teams in minutes played by our bench. Sure, other schools will have transfers as well, but even the small time schools had benches. You make a long jump to say the coaches have embraced the new reality when they probably did not expect some of the defections. I think they may have suspected Winston would be unhappy playing less than the year before, but Roberts, had to be a surprise. Have they been planning this the whole year and been recruiting for it. Doubtful. That said, I do think they now have a good sales pitch of sitting and only partially contributing freshman year, but then you compete to win the job. The question is, since they were not expecting as many openings and the need for a complete overall, whether they were recruiting that way. Looking earlier in the year, people were saying we should get one fresh and one transfer who can help right away. Now we are looking at taking 4 or 5 freshman, and in doing that, your recruiting board expands tremendously. I question whether the board was that big early on. My guess is no, and it is difficult to build the relationship. You want to sell the school, not just the minutes, it is hard to play catch up in the sales department when other schools may have started relationship building a year earlier. Hopefully, the coaching staffs contacts will help them land a couple of freshman contributors, along with a couple of freshmen who need a little time to develop. As for AJ, don’t know what the numbers say, or how they are calculated, but every game I saw him have problems with loose perimeter passes that caused a TO or almost did. Loved his quickness. Will I be happy with a 28% shooter who is a poor defender no, but Vasquez had a sophomore slump shooting, much like aKyle did this year. He will be a 40% shooter again. I can live with so so defense from a bench player if they provide other traits. |
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Post by proudbonnie89 on Mar 25, 2021 12:26:53 GMT -5
I agree with WGT and Boston with their comments about there being misconceptions of AJ's game. WGT's "I have seen a few posts indicating he turned it over a lot. Not so." -- AJ made impressive progress with his turnover rate this year. Last year AJ had Bonnies worse turnover rate at 2.9 turnovers per 40 minutes played. This year AJ had the best turnover rate at 0.6 for 40 minutes. Boston's "I liked his aggressiveness but let’s not overestimate his effectiveness." -- Last year AJ was instant offense off the bench. He was 2nd in 15.6 points per 40 minutes. This year he is 6th at 13.0 points per 40 minutes. -- AJ had a significant drop off in his shooting percentages. From the field AJ went 41.8% to just 28.3% this year. I think AJ made significant gains in defense. I understand AJ wanting to transfer. With a depleted bench AJ sees less playing time then he received as a freshman. I agree with Boston's feelings about Shaw. I thought Shaw was a quality big and it might be difficult to find a replacement with Shaw's skills. Let's take a simple poll here: "Would you be happy at the end of next year if Schmidt now finds a 6th man who ends up shooting 28% and playing mediocre defense--yes or no?" We were pretty happy with that 28% shooter when he jump started the Bonnies in the semis vs St. Louis with two huge 3 pointers to start the game along with a couple of assists and a steal. I just think the yes or no question is not fair to a really talented player who was almost always on a short leash. No critique of Schmidt in that statement as he had great starters at the 2 & 3 in Dom and Jaren with the luxury of a short leash. More of a statement that in fairness to AJ he rarely played in the flow of the game and didn't have the luxury of knowing he had time to get in the flow.
If it is truly a simple poll question with no context and not a shot at the player, no, I would not be happy with 28% and mediocre defense.
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Post by joe48 on Mar 25, 2021 12:31:44 GMT -5
How many of these transfers are going to make basketball a career in the NBA or overseas? So it seems to me that student athletes opt to put playing minutes above getting an education that will transfer to a career down the road.
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Post by gregmitch70 on Mar 25, 2021 12:37:11 GMT -5
Let's take a simple poll here: "Would you be happy at the end of next year if Schmidt now finds a 6th man who ends up shooting 28% and playing mediocre defense--yes or no?" We were pretty happy with that 28% shooter when he jump started the Bonnies in the semis vs St. Louis with two huge 3 pointers to start the game along with a couple of assists and a steal. I just think the yes or no question is not fair to a really talented player who was almost always on a short leash. No critique of Schmidt in that statement as he had great starters at the 2 & 3 in Dom and Jaren with the luxury of a short leash. More of a statement that in fairness to AJ he rarely played in the flow of the game and didn't have the luxury of knowing he had time to get in the flow.
If it is truly a simple poll question with no context and not a shot at the player, no, I would not be happy with 28% and mediocre defense.
This is the typical response on AJ--made a couple of key shots, then you downplay that he quickly missed 4 or 5 in a row, played horrid defense and got yanked because Schmidt knew he could not trust him. And we saw what happened when Dom went out vs. LSU. The usual from AJ plus 3 fouls in 5 minutes. |
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Post by tastylicks on Mar 25, 2021 12:44:37 GMT -5
Let's take a simple poll here: "Would you be happy at the end of next year if Schmidt now finds a 6th man who ends up shooting 28% and playing mediocre defense--yes or no?" We were pretty happy with that 28% shooter when he jump started the Bonnies in the semis vs St. Louis with two huge 3 pointers to start the game along with a couple of assists and a steal. I just think the yes or no question is not fair to a really talented player who was almost always on a short leash. No critique of Schmidt in that statement as he had great starters at the 2 & 3 in Dom and Jaren with the luxury of a short leash. More of a statement that in fairness to AJ he rarely played in the flow of the game and didn't have the luxury of knowing he had time to get in the flow. If it is truly a simple poll question with no context and not a shot at the player, no, I would not be happy with 28% and mediocre defense.
Yes and the thing is AJ is NOT a 28% shooter. He had a rough start to this year which brought those numbers down to that based on a very limited sample size in 2020. in 2019, a greater sample size, Vasquez was close to a 40% shooter,: 41% from 2pt and 36% from 3 pt range. as a freshman! The person who posed that question is, I'm sorry, an idiot. Vasquez will be missed there is no doubt about that. |
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Post by diehard on Mar 25, 2021 12:49:17 GMT -5
How many of these transfers are going to make basketball a career in the NBA or overseas? So it seems to me that student athletes opt to put playing minutes above getting an education that will transfer to a career down the road. I think Coach Schmidt's and thus SBU's record of creating professional basketball players is fairly impressive. In the peer group of non-P5/non-National programs you might be hard pressed to find better. SBU's program requires that you put in the work though. Putting aside the increase in transfers this year from the NCAA COVID transfer exemption, I have to wonder if some of these kids really want it when they realize that "it" requires hard work. SBU seems to be like a great place to hone your skills in that regard. |
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Post by proudbonnie89 on Mar 25, 2021 13:15:05 GMT -5
I don't post enough on this board to get into a bunch of banter regarding AJ. I've stated my opinion.
Again, in fairness to the student athlete, he wasn't yanked because Schmidt couldn't trust him, he was replaced because the bleeding had stopped from the nose of our starting forward. I'm a fan of guys who hit key shots to start huge games while also contributing assists and steals and I personally didn't notice the terrible defense as I think we were up 6 or 7 points early when he left the game. And yes, he missed shots too.
Regarding LSU, he and some others didn't have their best games. I guess we'll have to wait and see if my opinion of AJ being an impact player at his next school is accurate.
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Post by bigcat on Mar 25, 2021 14:58:31 GMT -5
We were pretty happy with that 28% shooter when he jump started the Bonnies in the semis vs St. Louis with two huge 3 pointers to start the game along with a couple of assists and a steal. I just think the yes or no question is not fair to a really talented player who was almost always on a short leash. No critique of Schmidt in that statement as he had great starters at the 2 & 3 in Dom and Jaren with the luxury of a short leash. More of a statement that in fairness to AJ he rarely played in the flow of the game and didn't have the luxury of knowing he had time to get in the flow. If it is truly a simple poll question with no context and not a shot at the player, no, I would not be happy with 28% and mediocre defense.
Yes and the thing is AJ is NOT a 28% shooter. He had a rough start to this year which brought those numbers down to that based on a very limited sample size in 2020. in 2019, a greater sample size, Vasquez was close to a 40% shooter,: 41% from 2pt and 36% from 3 pt range. as a freshman! The person who posed that question is, I'm sorry, an idiot. Vasquez will be missed there is no doubt about that. When you play less than 10 minutes per game you can’t count on high shooting numbers or low numbers as a true indicator. He certainly was better than Lofton from behind the arc and even Bobby P, who shot 25% last year and 45% everywhere else. It’s like saying Lofton’s 3-for-18 vs LSU was the norm and not the exception. Some players need reps to improve their numbers and ratios. It’s like a utility infielder in MLB who gets 100 at bats per year. You cannot project those numbers as a starter over 162 games. Personally I would take AJ as our 7th or 8th man. Not our 6th man. We can do better but it’s likely going to be a transfer. There are 1000 of them out there and their numbers and talents will be much easier to project and fit to our system than a true frosh. Face it, I don’t think Mark’s staff is concerned at all about 2023 and beyond. Hunt while the hunting is good. Worry about the future when we don’t have another NCAA bid and A10 title on the horizon — and our best chance to ADVANCE in the tourney in 50 years. I’m sure the staff is 98% focused on those opportunities. We all would be. |
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Post by wgt on Mar 25, 2021 15:14:04 GMT -5
AJ hit treys at 37% his frosh year and 35% this season. He was solid from the line at 74% last season and 77% this year.
There was one fall off in his game that I saw as a real strength especially for a true HS freshman. Last year he went to the iron hard, drew fouls and FINISHED. This year he drew the fouls but was unable to finish with contact. That was the reason for his drop from a good 42% FGs to a poor 28% this year.
He has an extremely quick first step that creates a path to the hoop. I anticipate him showing that skill along with finishing where ever he ends up along with a 40% + trey.
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Post by letsgobonas on Mar 25, 2021 15:43:26 GMT -5
AJ hit treys at 37% his frosh year and 35% this season. He was solid from the line at 74% last season and 77% this year. Their was one fall off in his game that I saw as a real strength especially for a true HS freshman. Last year he went to the iron hard, drew fouls and FINISHED. This year he drew the fouls but was unable to finish with contact. That was the reason for his drop from a good 42% FGs to a poor 28% this year. He has an extremely quick first step that creates a path to the hoop. I anticipate him showing that skill along with finishing where ever he ends up along with a 40% + trey. Totally agree... and his defense YoY was much improved... I think he'll do extremely well with additional minutes, wherever he lands. |
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Post by thecoach on Mar 25, 2021 23:32:56 GMT -5
Funny thing is that i thought The Chef/Brockington/Winston/Metcalf were all going to be bigtime contributors. The chef averaged like 4 points per game in a lesser conference. Brockington had some nice games. Metcalf doesn't even have a new team yet. Winston went from a 4 star recruit to robert morris. The guys that do leave the program don't really leave and do anything.
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Post by tastylicks on Mar 26, 2021 9:00:50 GMT -5
Funny thing is that i thought The Chef/Brockington/Winston/Metcalf were all going to be bigtime contributors. The chef averaged like 4 points per game in a lesser conference. Brockington had some nice games. Metcalf doesn't even have a new team yet. Winston went from a 4 star recruit to robert morris. The guys that do leave the program don't really leave and do anything. Coburn left and had a nice career at Hofstra. But yeah, most haven't really done much. Which is unfortunate. I wish they would stay and develop but I respect their wishes |
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Post by ddsmugs on Mar 26, 2021 9:10:24 GMT -5
AJ had a unique skill...quick first step to create his shot off the dribble. No one else on roster had that. Wish him well.
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Post by agoo on Mar 26, 2021 9:14:55 GMT -5
Funny thing is that i thought The Chef/Brockington/Winston/Metcalf were all going to be bigtime contributors. The chef averaged like 4 points per game in a lesser conference. Brockington had some nice games. Metcalf doesn't even have a new team yet. Winston went from a 4 star recruit to robert morris. The guys that do leave the program don't really leave and do anything. Brockington does not belong in that list in any way. Winston is TBD, but I suspect he will do well at Robert Morris. |
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Post by mrpus4 on Mar 27, 2021 14:22:05 GMT -5
On 1 hand you have Alston, X. Smith, Woods, Runs, Toupane, Adams, Ayeni, Poyser, Moreaux, Tyson, Johnson, Planutis, Gathers. And the other hand is Coburn and Brock. I'm sure I forgot some, but the transfer track record hasn't burned us. Obviously, I think many agree that Woods and Gathers would've played out differently if they stayed so every situation isn't the same. I liked AJ, his performance versus RU showed his potential. He had a nice stroke, but he struggled to fit outside of that. I think he might have played more had his decision making on 2 pt shots not been so abysmal and/or he handled the ball better. Too times he had WTF drives. Best wishes wherever he ends up. Funny thing is that i thought The Chef/Brockington/Winston/Metcalf were all going to be bigtime contributors. The chef averaged like 4 points per game in a lesser conference. Brockington had some nice games. Metcalf doesn't even have a new team yet. Winston went from a 4 star recruit to robert morris. The guys that do leave the program don't really leave and do anything. Brockington does not belong in that list in any way. Winston is TBD, but I suspect he will do well at Robert Morris. |
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