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Post by letsgobonas on Feb 23, 2024 16:30:33 GMT -5
Guys, we need to come to grips that this has not been a good year... we had four 1,000 point scorers on this team with none of them named Chad Venning, and we had the returning A-10 Rookie of the Year... expectations were high because they should have been high.
Last year was a terrible year, probably not a surprise, but worse than imagined... and the year before that we underachieved as well (you can't tell me that an NIT Final Four appearance was respectable for a team that was once #16 in the country).
I stated it earlier and I'll state it again... this post is not a tribute to all of the wonderful things that Mark Schmidt has done with this program... it's a series of questions around whether MS is the right fit for the future... there is no doubt that is absolutely up for debate.
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Post by bonaboy23 on Feb 23, 2024 16:34:00 GMT -5
Agree its awesome to have expectations we are relevant and that is do to the Mark-his staff-and prior players....THIS GROUP "HAS TALENT" but can't win on TALENT ALONE.... Ask Herb.....see link below. www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nR3reKPE5Y IT's now or never fellas your college careers are about to end are we PLAYING LIKE CHAMPIONS from here on out?? Up to you the Bona Faithful Believe |
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Post by Cassian on Feb 23, 2024 16:34:46 GMT -5
Not even close to a debate - he’s brought great recognition and respectability to our program otherwise we languish ala Duquesne, Fordham, GW et al.. This thread is ridiculous.
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Post by letsgobonas on Feb 23, 2024 16:37:56 GMT -5
Not even close to a debate - he’s brought great recognition and respectability to our program otherwise we languish ala Duquesne, Fordham, GW et al.. This thread is ridiculous. You used the word "he's", which means "he has"... past tense... but is he doing that today and is he going to do it in the future? As an FYI, we lost to those programs that you mention that we languish. |
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Post by geneseo on Feb 23, 2024 18:10:23 GMT -5
People keep mentioning 16-10 record this year as some kind of swell accomplishment. Reminder: We played several of the worst of the worst teams in the entire D1 in our OOC. While losing to another bad team, Canisius. Even Okla State is 11-14. Mr. Sunshine, I don't think that anyone thinks that 16-10 is "swell". Gee willikers, by Schmidt standards it is not "swell" at all. The point that I was making was that for much of our history before 1980 and before Schmidt that record would be really "swell and neat-o". Do you dig, daddio? |
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Post by ddsmugs on Feb 23, 2024 19:28:36 GMT -5
Can anyone give insight how team functions at practice?
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Post by spils84 on Feb 23, 2024 19:34:12 GMT -5
I have heard at practice that they spend 90 minutes each day going over alley oop passes to Barry. He dunks every time. Unfortunately, during games, there are kids playing defense.
Also, for those who think this is an awful season, we're one coaching change away from becoming Siena.
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Post by ceharv on Feb 23, 2024 22:31:25 GMT -5
IMO, we’re all pretty spoiled here. What this group is missing is a player who is truly a clutch player, the kind who can take over and carry a team to a victory by being virtually unstoppable at key points during a game - usually in the final few minutes when games are on the line. I had hopes that would have been Banks, or Pride or Mika, Assa might still be if he stays and develops. Of course that means you have to have an overall quality group that can put the team in position to be close enough that the special player can take over. We have had guys like Andrew, Posley, Adams, Stockard, Holmes, OO, Welch and several others who have had that special ability, which I think has spoiled us; it certainly has me as I keep expecting that long three we have so often needed to fall.
But I also don’t think that’s something that can be easily coached into just any player, or that it’s something that can be easily identified in recruits. Frankly, we have been extremely fortunate to have one or more of those guys with each group we’ve had come through the program in recent times. IMO that’s because Mark has been much better than most at identifying and recruiting those special players. And people here want to give up on that because this latest group hasn’t had anyone step up into that role??? IMO that’s crazy. Stick with Mark because he’s one of the few in this league who has demonstrated the ability to find those guys and that’s rare. Jumping to the conclusion that he’s lost it is a panicked reaction we can’t afford to make because of back-to-back pedestrian or down years. That’s overreacting, don’t.
The other option of course is having a coach who can simply out-recruit nearly everyone to get an overwhelming roster of the highest quality players (the UCLA, Duke, Kentucky formula) and I don’t see one of those coaches sitting around waiting for a call from Bonas. If you really want to move on from Mark, you need to have a realistic plan to improve the Program at the head coach level. Firing the coach is too often seen as the simple answer to “why isn’t my team winning more” question and unless there’s a realistic plan for improvement in place, those changes usually backfire and just lead to more demands to replace the latest HC, and on, and on. That my two cents FWIW.
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Post by coach on Feb 23, 2024 23:36:24 GMT -5
IMO, we’re all pretty spoiled here. What this group is missing is a player who is truly a clutch player, the kind who can take over and carry a team to a victory by being virtually unstoppable at key points during a game - usually in the final few minutes when games are on the line. I had hopes that would have been Banks, or Pride or Mika, Assa might still be if he stays and develops. Of course that means you have to have an overall quality group that can put the team in position to be close enough that the special player can take over. We have had guys like Andrew, Posley, Adams, Stockard, Holmes, OO, Welch and several others who have had that special ability, which I think has spoiled us; it certainly has me as I keep expecting that long three we have so often needed to fall. But I also don’t think that’s something that can be easily coached into just any player, or that it’s something that can be easily identified in recruits. Frankly, we have been extremely fortunate to have one or more of those guys with each group we’ve had come through the program in recent times. IMO that’s because Mark has been much better than most at identifying and recruiting those special players. And people here want to give up on that because this latest group hasn’t had anyone step up into that role??? IMO that’s crazy. Stick with Mark because he’s one of the few in this league who has demonstrated the ability to find those guys and that’s rare. Jumping to the conclusion that he’s lost it is a panicked reaction we can’t afford to make because of back-to-back pedestrian or down years. That’s overreacting, don’t. The other option of course is having a coach who can simply out-recruit nearly everyone to get an overwhelming roster of the highest quality players (the UCLA, Duke, Kentucky formula) and I don’t see one of those coaches sitting around waiting for a call from Bonas. If you really want to move on from Mark, you need to have a realistic plan to improve the Program at the head coach level. Firing the coach is too often seen as the simple answer to “why isn’t my team winning more” question and unless there’s a realistic plan for improvement in place, those changes usually backfire and just lead to more demands to replace the latest HC, and on, and on. That my two cents FWIW. a Marquis Greene type player would be tough on this year's team. |
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Post by bigcat on Feb 24, 2024 3:49:37 GMT -5
Again… no one seems to be pushing for Mark to be fired or move on. Or that he has not been great for Bonas. That is obvious. He pulled up our program from near-death.
Most people are saying Mark has not done a good job the last two years. Yes he was hit with losing all five of his excellent starters (Iron 5 2.0) last season. He should get a pass for last season other then the bad way it all ended. No improvement or gelling in Feb/March.
This year’s team has underachieved. Some of you are asking “underachieved based on what?” Well, there is a long list of “experts” who looked at our roster and our coach and came away with the same conclusion. This team could be special. That list includes…
A10 Coaches
Andy Katz
Lindy Magazine
John Rothstein
Sports Illustrated
Handfuls of respected Bandwagon posters predicted 23+ wins in the “Regular Season Wins” and other threads in Oct/Nov … including Chuck (25 wins), Chris Moses (23), Artvandalay (23), Proudbonnie (24) and others.
Yes the trend is that most fans will be way off in over-predicting wins… but many experts were predicting SBU to be a challenger for an at large bid or A10 title.
I never posted any prediction on win totals but said a few times that we had the talent to win the A10 or an At large bid. Close loses to Dayton and FAU — plus wins over VCU twice and Akron — showed we have the talent but it’s obvious this team is not consistent enough. That is until we run off 3 or 4 wins in the A10 tourney as many of you are hoping and praying for!
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Post by bigcat on Feb 24, 2024 3:54:00 GMT -5
IMO, we’re all pretty spoiled here. What this group is missing is a player who is truly a clutch player, the kind who can take over and carry a team to a victory by being virtually unstoppable at key points during a game - usually in the final few minutes when games are on the line. I had hopes that would have been Banks, or Pride or Mika, Assa might still be if he stays and develops. Of course that means you have to have an overall quality group that can put the team in position to be close enough that the special player can take over. We have had guys like Andrew, Posley, Adams, Stockard, Holmes, OO, Welch and several others who have had that special ability, which I think has spoiled us; it certainly has me as I keep expecting that long three we have so often needed to fall. But I also don’t think that’s something that can be easily coached into just any player, or that it’s something that can be easily identified in recruits. Frankly, we have been extremely fortunate to have one or more of those guys with each group we’ve had come through the program in recent times. IMO that’s because Mark has been much better than most at identifying and recruiting those special players. And people here want to give up on that because this latest group hasn’t had anyone step up into that role??? IMO that’s crazy. Stick with Mark because he’s one of the few in this league who has demonstrated the ability to find those guys and that’s rare. Jumping to the conclusion that he’s lost it is a panicked reaction we can’t afford to make because of back-to-back pedestrian or down years. That’s overreacting, don’t. The other option of course is having a coach who can simply out-recruit nearly everyone to get an overwhelming roster of the highest quality players (the UCLA, Duke, Kentucky formula) and I don’t see one of those coaches sitting around waiting for a call from Bonas. If you really want to move on from Mark, you need to have a realistic plan to improve the Program at the head coach level. Firing the coach is too often seen as the simple answer to “why isn’t my team winning more” question and unless there’s a realistic plan for improvement in place, those changes usually backfire and just lead to more demands to replace the latest HC, and on, and on. That my two cents FWIW. Great post by Ceharv — the current team is missing that Alpha Dog star we’ve had in the past. That one leader, clutch player, shot-maker who can will his team to victory. This team has no strong personality … was hoping Pride could be that Stockard/Lofton figure. Our captains Moses and Banks are not leading by example. |
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Post by coach on Feb 24, 2024 5:16:02 GMT -5
The best thing about the NIL and transfer portal is that it has made me less interested in following college sports. That being said, a Bona loss does no longer ruin my week as it did in the past. All the players/ teams realigning/ coaching changes/players transferring on their 5th year/ BIG MONEY-big schools etc... NIL and transfer portal has made all of college sports less interesting.
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Post by letsgobonas on Feb 24, 2024 7:34:51 GMT -5
For those who believe we are one coach firing away from being a Siena or a UB, we are also one coach away from being a Creighton or a San Diego State or a Florida Atlantic.
Not advocating for a coaching change right now, but I believe Joe and Mark will need to have some serious conversations this offseason about the late direction of the program.
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Post by faffy444 on Feb 24, 2024 8:41:42 GMT -5
as the courts continue to rule against the NCAA, the schools, and the coaches, be prepared for anarchy in college hoops moving forward.the sport as we have known it is DONE.the power and control is now in the hands of the players.
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Post by bonawolf02 on Feb 24, 2024 9:16:47 GMT -5
For those who believe we are one coach firing away from being a Siena or a UB, we are also one coach away from being a Creighton or a San Diego State or a Florida Atlantic. Not advocating for a coaching change right now, but I believe Joe and Mark will need to have some serious conversations this offseason about the late direction of the program. Well said. How many growth organizations or challenger brands (which I would consider St Bona as beeing a "challenger brand" in college basketball) have CEO's in place for 20 years? The organization, or in this case team, must evolve with times. Change at the top doesn't mean the organization (or team) will falter or take a step back - it's actually meant to jump start it with a vision to the future. Must evolve with times. Right now, that is not happening - glaring over the past 3 seasons. Go Bonas! |
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