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Post by jh on Aug 23, 2009 16:50:38 GMT -5
Why would you NOT think that 6'7 McGloster & 6'2 Corey Chandler could replace Hall & Matthews? I'll take this one. ... Because McGloster has proven nothing in two years at the Division I level. I think he will be a nice player for the Bonnies, but let's see before we start making big plans for him. Adolph have you heard any reports about how Horace has looked at SBU since he had signed? Any reports on comparable skill level etccc??? Or are you just overall questioning in general??? You do realize also at Houston that their highest scorers were talented players playing the exact position Horace did...they immediately recruited over him there at Houston which ofcourse kills horace's stats and playing time....happens all the time....we are the beneficiaries of that chain of events and its already being proven out by the skill level he has been displaying at SBU among our own players....
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Post by sneakers on Aug 23, 2009 17:35:15 GMT -5
I'm with you JH. This is very encouraging. Chandler would be a no brainer. If we could get Rosboro as well that would be great. I have confidence that Schimdt could turn him into an effective big man. We'd be set for a while and with a team that should easily bring us back to our former winning ways which in turn would make it easier for us to recruit talent. Don't know if we have enough ships for both though.
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Post by Chuck on Aug 23, 2009 17:47:41 GMT -5
has proven nothing at the Division I level. I think he will be a nice player for the Bonnies, but let's see before we start making big plans for him. I've heard this comment twice in regards to players sitting out and dominating practices. The 2 players were Kevin Houston and Mario Boggans. Horace has not been dominating scrimmages, but hear he is one of the top players. By the way, interesting thread.
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Post by adolphlottin on Aug 23, 2009 18:01:23 GMT -5
Sorry guys. I'm not sure how much can be determined from pick up games. Real practice hasn't even started. I've been around these pick up games before. There's no supervision from coaches and no plays being called or executed. Like I said, I think Horace will turn out to be a good get. But I'm not going to base that assumption on some meaningless pick up games. Let's see it on the court when it counts.
And on a side note, let's not forget about Eleby in 2010-11. The kid continues to improve. He's going to be a part of restoring this program.
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Post by Chuck on Aug 23, 2009 18:15:45 GMT -5
I'm not sure how much can be determined from pick up games. Real practice hasn't even started. Absolutely agree with the above. These scrimmages do not prove anything and I believe many times athletic players (like Horace) receive more praise than they deserve. Still Horace have been receiving encouraging reports, so I doubt he is a stiff. As for Corey Chandler he has already proven he is a big time talent in the Big East. Fingers crossed he signs with the Bonnies.
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Post by jh on Aug 23, 2009 19:25:55 GMT -5
Sorry guys. I'm not sure how much can be determined from pick up games. Real practice hasn't even started. I've been around these pick up games before. There's no supervision from coaches and no plays being called or executed. Like I said, I think Horace will turn out to be a good get. But I'm not going to base that assumption on some meaningless pick up games. Let's see it on the court when it counts. And on a side note, let's not forget about Eleby in 2010-11. The kid continues to improve. He's going to be a part of restoring this program. So you must have an example of players that really did well in practices and pickup games while they sat out but when they were eligible it did not translate? Chuck very accurately pointed out Kevin Houston and Mario Boggans Looking ahead to the possibilities of the program is always a PROJECTION....any 4th grader can make the stand that when I see a player put up 20pts in A10 games then I will agree he is an ok player.......the fun is in projecting... both horace and Chandler put up bigtime numbers coming out of high school...reports of Horace playing very well in practices and scrimmages is another indicator he will be instant starter.... So the names of guys who played very well while sitting and then sucked when they became eligible are??
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Post by West End Stench on Aug 23, 2009 19:39:56 GMT -5
So the names of guys who played very well while sitting and then sucked when they became eligible are?? Did Da'Quan Cook under-achieve enough to fall into this category?
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Post by adolphlottin on Aug 23, 2009 20:11:35 GMT -5
So the names of guys who played very well while sitting and then sucked when they became eligible are?? Did Da'Quan Cook under-achieve enough to fall into this category? Da'Quan Cook? Good example. Here was a post a few years ago in response to a thread started by jh. After watching a film of Cook, jh proclaims Cook as the second coming. So does this poster, who wrote: "Spin moves to either direction and then hits fadeaways or finishes off glass with either hand? This kid has MOVES! At 6-8, he's more polished today than anyone I can recall, and that includes you, Mr. Lee. It's not like he's better than Michael Lee. He's just more aggressive, welcomes contact more and finishes in the paint with the authority we long to see from Michael, while still being a similar player. Polished big man moves aside, I loved how he loved to finish in traffic, dunking as emphatically and as often as possible while surrounded by up to three opposing jerseys. Looked to be an exceptional outlet passer and looked comfortable shooting from up to 18 feet, sometimes even fading away and hitting. Most, if not all, of his blocked shots on the tape are from guards. I don't know how well he defends the low post, but if he can do so at all, Da'Quan Cook should start at St. Bonaventure for four years." --- I'm sure I could find other posts on other guys who didn't live up to posters' lofty expectations, that were materialized before they even suited up for a practice. I loved the signing of McGloster when it was announced. I still do. I think he will be a key player during his two years with the Bonnies. But saying he's going to do this and that based on a pick up game is probably not the smartest thing.
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Post by diehard on Aug 23, 2009 21:57:31 GMT -5
In my humble opinion, Schmidt does a darn good job of getting better than expected recruits and getting better results/ effort out of them.
McGloster and Chandler (if we get him) certainly will contribute to the upward trend of the team, does anyone remember how bad our situation was with Solomon?
With time, Mark will get us into the upper half of the A-10. I am encouraged by his skill-set, work ethic and strategy. I am thankful that Bona's has him and his staff.
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Post by GoPadres on Aug 23, 2009 22:48:48 GMT -5
Nothing against Chandler, but I feel like this team has an immediate need for inside depth. One thing the Bonnies have lacked for years is roster depth. Giving away two scholarships to transfers leaves little room for injuries in 2009-10.
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Post by LumsdnA10Academc98 on Aug 23, 2009 23:35:50 GMT -5
As far as the comparison of McGloster & Chandler to Hall & Matthews goes, it's premature because we've seen the latter excel at Bona's. We've seen John & Chris perform in the Brown and White, and while McGloster & Chandler certainly have potential, they have yet to suit up, let alone produce. That comparison might make sense had it been made a year ago, when all four players were yet to play and everyone was on the same playing field.
As for Da'Quan Cook, the comments after a highlight reel allegedly featuring Cook were mine, made before it was found out that it wasn't really Cook in the video. It was someone else, dunking, pivoting, jumping and finishing like Amare Stoudemire, with a few clips of Cook sprinkled in here and there. And yes, whoever that young man was would have started here for four years, because he was a monster. The problem was, as we found out, it just wasn't Da'Quan Cook on the video.
Cook was different than the other names listed because he didn't prove himself elsewhere in college basketball. He came here and sat out after a decent season of prep ball. A better example of a transfer who didn't live up to expectations would be two-time ACC Rookie of the Week and Top 175 recruit Maurice Young, who put in a nondescript two seasons before graduating early.
For what it's worth, I still think Cook can be a decent Bonnie and prove worthy of a scholarship.
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Post by jmp on Aug 24, 2009 7:15:58 GMT -5
Really enjoy reading the threads that debate and make for discussion. I am one that believes Horace would start if he were eligible........because Coach Schmidt said as much. I have seen him play in at least 6 open gyms and his skill level is way above Cook's or Davenport. He can shoot from the outside and uses his body well in the paint. Being older you can see the mature way he plays the game, not alot of flash, but efficient and smart. He abused Davenport in the box with his size and went around Cook with his quickness. Yes open gyms dont tell the whole story, what they do is give someone like myself an idea of their skill level, are they an upgrade in talent ...feet, hands, movement, where do they go on the floor etc.....Im not looking for dunks, and flashy passes. Horace will be an upgrade from Hall and Matthews. As for the Chandler/Roseboro situation.....Chandler would be the scorer the program needs to help Andrew...his ability to score would open things up and eliminate double teams on Nicholson. Roseboro was over his head going to Marquette. Schmidt commented last year the same.."the kid cant play there".. he wanted to play right away there but realized that wasnt going to happen. I havent seen him play but if Schmidt thinks he was good enough to recruit than lets try to get him. The coaching staff has done an excellent job of getting out and getting involved with high level kids early and hard. Hopefully it all pays off with some nice signings.
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Post by wgt on Aug 24, 2009 7:45:20 GMT -5
jmp…Thanks for your analysis and forecast. I value your observations of players and comments. Exciting to hear Coach's assessment of Horace and totally agree with the positive impact of Chandler on Andrew. I see Roseboro as a kid who has lots of skill growth in front of him & Mark would be the one to oversee that development. Lets hope these potential Bonnies become a reality.
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Post by mangham on Aug 24, 2009 9:17:22 GMT -5
jh, we've got a lot of experts on this board! Suffice to say Schmidt knows what he's doing
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Post by bartmitchell on Aug 24, 2009 10:02:52 GMT -5
"As for Da'Quan Cook, the comments after a highlight reel allegedly featuring Cook were mine, made before it was found out that it wasn't really Cook in the video. It was someone else, dunking, pivoting, jumping and finishing like Amare Stoudemire, with a few clips of Cook sprinkled in here and there. And yes, whoever that young man was would have started here for four years, because he was a monster. The problem was, as we found out, it just wasn't Da'Quan Cook on the video."
Lumsdn - I believe the player on that video mistakenly identified as Cook was Curtis Kelly. It was a hell of an impressive video. If I am not mistaken, Kelly was a bit of a flop at UConn and has/is moving on.
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