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Post by jh on Mar 6, 2015 10:09:48 GMT -5
Postseason play is play beyond the regular season and conference tournament. I don't define that (or necessarily agree), but the NCAA defines it. The maybe you should add one more for schmidt under your definition - I think we turned down a opportunity to pay $$$ for a CBI game another year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 10:16:10 GMT -5
The NIT was a very different animal in Baron's time. Go 500 and get a bid. That doesn't happen now.
So JH the perfect Bona coach would be someone who:
1. Played all games in Buffalo 2. Played Canisus and Niagara at least three times 3. Only recruited players from the 585 or 716 area code 4. Is not named Mark Schmidt I love your opinions that have morphed into fact.
I loved/love Baron, but Schmidt has done a good job. You need to face the FACT that he is here for as long as he wants to be.
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Post by localfan on Mar 6, 2015 10:19:51 GMT -5
Postseason play is play beyond the regular season and conference tournament. I don't define that (or necessarily agree), but the NCAA defines it. The maybe you should add one more for schmidt under your definition - I think we turned down a opportunity to pay $$$ for a CBI game another year. You can't add another year for a game that wasn't played. Yes, CBI and CIT has money involved, but you still need to be invited, which is the same concept as the NIT.
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Post by jh on Mar 6, 2015 10:37:01 GMT -5
The NIT was a very different animal in Baron's time. Go 500 and get a bid. That doesn't happen now. So JH the perfect Bona coach would be someone who: 1. Played all games in Buffalo 2. Played Canisus and Niagara at least three times 3. Only recruited players from the 585 or 716 area code 4. Is not named Mark Schmidt I love your opinions that have morphed into fact. I loved/love Baron, but Schmidt has done a good job. You need to face the FACT that he is here for as long as he wants to be. Bona87 the thread asked who we thought was better - and its just shocking that me voting for Baron and indicating what I based it upon (post season and All A10 players) would once again get one of your rants about me hating schmidt. Either vote Schmidt or you must HATE HIM. By the way - one other item under Baron - we never paid for cupcake wins ...
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Post by localfan on Mar 6, 2015 10:37:52 GMT -5
I've been interested to hear everyone's thoughts on whether the A-10 was stronger in the Baron years or the Schmidt years. I did some digging. If we use RPI as the determining statistic of how good a team is on a national scale, here are the stats on conference strength in Baron's 9 years vs. Schmidt's 8 years: Baron: 34% of the conference had an RPI in the top 50 during his time Schmidt: 29% of the conference had/has an RPI in the top 50 during his time BREAKDOWN: Schmidt: 14-15 3 of 14 teams in RPI top 50 21% 13-14 6 of 13 teams in RPI top 50 46% 12-13 5 of 14 teams in RPI top 50 36% 11-12 3 of 14 teams in RPI top 50 21% 10-11 3 of 14 teams in RPI top 50 21% 09-10 4 of 14 teams in RPI top 50 29% 08-09 3 of 14 teams in RPI top 50 21% 07-08 5 of 14 teams in RPI top 50 36% Baron: 00-01 3 of 11 teams in RPI top 50 27% 99-00 3 of 12 teams in RPI top 50 25% 98-99 2 of 12 teams in RPI top 50 17% 97-98 5 of 12 teams in RPI top 50 42% 96-97 5 of 12 teams in RPI top 50 42% 95-96 4 of 12 teams in RPI top 50 33% 94-95 4 of 12 teams in RPI top 50 33% 93-94 3 of 9 teams in RPI top 50 33% 92-93 5 of 9 teams in RPI top 50 55% Baron: Average team RPI - 112 Schmidt: Average team RPI - 142* *142 average is with a higher total of D1 basketball teams over his 8 years. www.bbstate.com/conferences/A-10/standingshist
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Post by jh on Mar 6, 2015 10:47:44 GMT -5
Nice research localfan on the RPI's of the 2 eras
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Post by Felca on Mar 6, 2015 10:52:27 GMT -5
The real question: if you had one big game to win who would you want to coach? Schmidt!
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Post by spils84 on Mar 6, 2015 10:58:24 GMT -5
I can't wait for the Eddie Donovan vs. Larry Weise comparison...
Go Bona's! Beat Fordham!
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Post by jh on Mar 6, 2015 10:58:45 GMT -5
The real question: if you had one big game to win who would you want to coach? Schmidt! What you base it upon? I would select our St Bona alum Jim Baron - basing it upon a win in 2000 over Temple. Temple ended up RPI ranking at 5th in nation Schmidt have a win over a higher ranked opponent than that?
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Post by efsboca on Mar 6, 2015 11:14:48 GMT -5
I've been interested to hear everyone's thoughts on whether the A-10 was stronger in the Baron years or the Schmidt years. I did some digging. If we use RPI as the determining statistic of how good a team is on a national scale, here are the stats on conference strength in Baron's 9 years vs. Schmidt's 8 years: Baron: 34% of the conference had an RPI in the top 50 during his time Schmidt: 29% of the conference had/has an RPI in the top 50 during his time BREAKDOWN: Schmidt: 14-15 3 of 14 teams in RPI top 50 21% 13-14 6 of 13 teams in RPI top 50 46% 12-13 5 of 14 teams in RPI top 50 36% 11-12 3 of 14 teams in RPI top 50 21% 10-11 3 of 14 teams in RPI top 50 21% 09-10 4 of 14 teams in RPI top 50 29% 08-09 3 of 14 teams in RPI top 50 21% 07-08 5 of 14 teams in RPI top 50 36% Baron: 00-01 3 of 11 teams in RPI top 50 27% 99-00 3 of 12 teams in RPI top 50 25% 98-99 2 of 12 teams in RPI top 50 17% 97-98 5 of 12 teams in RPI top 50 42% 96-97 5 of 12 teams in RPI top 50 42% 95-96 4 of 12 teams in RPI top 50 33% 94-95 4 of 12 teams in RPI top 50 33% 93-94 3 of 9 teams in RPI top 50 33% 92-93 5 of 9 teams in RPI top 50 55% Baron: Average team RPI - 112 Schmidt: Average team RPI - 142* *142 average is with a higher total of D1 basketball teams over his 8 years. www.bbstate.com/conferences/A-10/standingshistI love this debate. Personally I think Baron because of recruits. While Nicholson was clearly the best recruit from both coaches, I think Baron brought in more quality overall and less juco plugs. Schmidt just seems to have to press the reset button more often where Baron, although slowly going up and down, had finally started getting that uphill trajectory. That said, I love the data mining and while this is relevant, in order to really be useful, you have to not only look at the top of the conference, but also, how the bottom fared. There may have been more top 50 teams in the league, but were there also significantly more over 200 rated teams? Having a strong bottom makes losses much more likely. I am just glad that Schmidt is running a competitive and clean program. As I recently read, with Syracuse, Duke and North Carolina in deep doo-doo, some mid major will be getting nailed by the NCAA for a minor violation.
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Post by Hermit on Mar 6, 2015 11:17:24 GMT -5
The real question: if you had one big game to win who would you want to coach? Schmidt! A better question might be who, between the two coaches, had the best team?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 11:20:23 GMT -5
I can't wait for the Eddie Donovan vs. Larry Weise comparison... Go Bona's! Beat Fordham! I was going to start the thread comparing Solomon, DeCarli, and Chapman but that would be too depressing.
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Post by Felca on Mar 6, 2015 11:24:18 GMT -5
Baron never won the A-10 Title game. They both were there against very good teams. By far the biggest games Bonaventure has been in since our NIT win was the A-10 Championship games. Also if Baron is a better overall recruiter, which I agree with, Schmidt has done more with less.
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Post by jh on Mar 6, 2015 11:24:21 GMT -5
efboca i agree - it was an interesting question.
I'm optimistic on schmidt and our future now that we have a asst dedicated to toronto - that should be an increase in talent provided to schmidt and hee has always coached up his talent well.
We have never hit the success where Baron had the program humming 1998 - NIT appearance 1999 - miss NIT but remember TIM Winn suspended for season start 2000 - NCAA 2001 - NIT with only a PVP injury stopping us from back to back NCAA 2002 - NIT
I just dont think Schmidt approaches that 5 year run the program was in - and thats with a few bad breaks thrown in there. That sucess spanned recruiting classes Win & Cyrus and Capers giving to Kevin houston, PVP, Bremmer Green & Gansey... thats not just recruiting 1 star.
Only a wacko like Wick would be looking to usher out any coach with those string of seasons and recruits
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Post by jh on Mar 6, 2015 11:28:09 GMT -5
Baron never won the A-10 Title game. They both were there against very good teams. By far the biggest games Bonaventure has been in since our NIT win was the A-10 Championship games. Also if Baron is a better overall recruiter, which I agree with, Schmidt has done more with less. Thats true - some good fortune comes your way when in order to win the A10 you face a good Xavier team and not a national power like Temple was.
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