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Post by bub on Mar 8, 2015 7:57:22 GMT -5
Interesting stat put up on the screen yesterday during the telecast of the Fordham game.. Mark Schmidt has recruited or developed 10 NBA draft picks during his coaching career. It obviously encompasses his assistant coaching years but that is pretty good. Pay attention Kyle Alexander or any other recruit for that matter. The guy develops players.
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Post by dadster81 on Mar 8, 2015 8:51:14 GMT -5
I would have to say we are comparing apples and oranges. Trying to rate who did a better job when the situations are totally different makes it almost impossible to give either coach a "fair" shot. You can look at it from many different ways. Baron didnt have to rebuild a program from the ground up Baron didnt need to prove himself to the community, as he was already well known and had the support Baron didnt coach at Bonas during a horrible US recession Schmidt on the other hand is very well liked because, hey, his name isnt Anthony Soloman. Schmidt is able to take better advantage of technology and watch youtube reels instantly for recruiting, something Baron never had Many games now are streamed, easier to watch footage of opponents Schmidt is able to use his success with AN to say anyone can become something big at Bonas. Basically the main point I am trying to show is that we are living in a much different world today, than we were in Barons era, and trying to compare who was better at Bonas really not fair to either coach. I disagree with your second and third point for Schmidt, in only that is not a competitive advantage. Why? Because every coach that Schmidt faces has that same capability. Also, while I do not have any stats to back me up on this, I think that Schmidt has been working with a lot less $ than Baron, when compared to the other teams in the A10. That is definitely a disadvantage.
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Post by firstdev on Mar 8, 2015 16:39:00 GMT -5
Yea I said both were of Hall of Fame caliber, I know that JB is the HOF already. Thanks
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Post by Chuck on Mar 8, 2015 16:50:11 GMT -5
Both Schmidt and Baron have been good for the Bonnies. Overall records at Bonas are very similar with both winning 1 more game than lost (Schmidt 123-122 and Baron 132-131). They actually have won the same number of A-10 games which is shown below. Following are some facts to consider when comparing them. 1. Baron is the better recruiter and had more talent. Following are Bonnies top 40 all time scorers for each coach (all time leading scorers begins on page 11 of record book). Baron Green #8 (top 200 recruit) Bremer #9 Palmer #11 (top 200 recruit) Vanterpool #14 Moore #15 (top 200 recruit of Chapman) Winn #18 (top 100 recruit) Nelson - Richards #22 Cyrus #29 Mance #35 McNeill #39 Schmidt Nicholson #2 Lee #14 Conger #26 Wright #38 2. Despite having less talent Schmidt has the better A-10 record (Baron's starts on page 51 and Schmidt on page 54 of record book). Baron (1992-2001).....Schmidt (2007 to present) 0-14.............................2-14 4-12.............................6-10 9-7..............................7-9 4-12.............................8-8 5-11.............................10-6 6-10.............................7-9 8-8..............................6-10 11-5.............................10-8 9-7 Totals Baron 56-86 for 39% A-10 winning percentage Schmidt 56-74 for 43% A-10 winning percentage Considering everything I give Schmidt the slight edge. static.psbin.com/g/4/mzplw7di603prw/MBBrecordbook.pdfstatsheet.com/mcb/teams/st-bonaventure/coaches
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Post by firstdev on Mar 8, 2015 16:53:48 GMT -5
JB has done an outstanding job with CC. He has once again resurrected a program in disaster mode. This year with a very young team missing Billy, and Heath, he did just fine, up 5 against Monmouth, they went to a smaller lineup minus Bleeker, and lost some big mo. He will be in the mix next year.
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Post by thesocalkid on Mar 8, 2015 18:07:58 GMT -5
Both Coaches have put their heart and soul into Bt Bonaventure and the Greater Olean Area!
St Bonaventure forever
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Post by vodorr on Mar 8, 2015 18:14:02 GMT -5
They were and are both great for the program. Both coaches improved the program from when they arrived. Both coaches brought our little school to the dance. Celebrate the positives. I agree, weird, one recruited guards, while the other found success with the big men.
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Post by efsboca on Mar 8, 2015 21:55:24 GMT -5
Both Schmidt and Baron have been good for the Bonnies. Overall records at Bonas are very similar with both winning 1 more game than lost (Schmidt 123-122 and Baron 132-131). They actually have won the same number of A-10 games which is shown below. Following are some facts to consider when comparing them. 1. Baron is the better recruiter and had more talent. Following are Bonnies top 40 all time scorers for each coach (all time leading scorers begins on page 11 of record book). Baron Green #8 (top 200 recruit) Bremer #9 Palmer #11 (top 200 recruit) Vanterpool #14 Moore #15 (top 200 recruit of Chapman) Winn #18 (top 100 recruit) Nelson - Richards #22 Cyrus #29 Mance #35 McNeill #39 Schmidt Nicholson #2 Lee #14 Conger #26 Wright #38 2. Despite having less talent Schmidt has the better A-10 record (Baron's starts on page 51 and Schmidt on page 54 of record book). Baron (1992-2001).....Schmidt (2007 to present) 0-14.............................2-14 4-12.............................6-10 9-7..............................7-9 4-12.............................8-8 5-11.............................10-6 6-10.............................7-9 8-8..............................6-10 11-5.............................10-8 9-7 Totals Baron 56-86 for 39% A-10 winning percentage Schmidt 56-74 for 43% A-10 winning percentage Considering everything I give Schmidt the slight edge. static.psbin.com/g/4/mzplw7di603prw/MBBrecordbook.pdfstatsheet.com/mcb/teams/st-bonaventure/coachesMoore was a Chappy recruit as stated, but Lee was a Soloman recruit. Let's not forget while sol came in for 4 years after the "thing", he did bring in some good recruits, but could not coach. Baron came from a much lower place, with a much lower budget initially. Chappy brought in some good recruits as well, but many of his were not high quality people, Sol's were much better. Baron had to really rebuild, not only players but quality people. He had to fundamentally change the mentality of the program. I think both coaches were/are great for SBU.
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Post by localfan on Mar 8, 2015 22:19:34 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but the notion that Anthony Solomon brought in "good recruits" is pretty far-fetched. When Schmidt took over, he had a total of three returning players. Three. And he was hired after the Final Four. Baron had some tools to work with from Chapman. Schmidt had Michael Lee. And that's it.
Let's not forget, Solomon was the guy who brought us David Fox because he thought he looked good scoring six points in a JUCO game at JCC-Olean.
Anthony Solomon was not a good recruiter. At all.
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Post by Bona84 on Mar 9, 2015 7:36:19 GMT -5
The scoreboard is VERY objective I see. So Siena is better than Bona. Delaware, too, I suppose. And, apparently, the Bonnies are better than VCU and Davidson. I'll look forward to the at large selections of Siena, Delaware and the Bonnies on Sunday.
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Post by BonaFan on Mar 9, 2015 8:07:33 GMT -5
Chapman recruited Vanterpool, Moore, Mance and Nelson-Richards. Not a bad haul. Baron coached them up.
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Post by bona1971 on Mar 9, 2015 8:47:14 GMT -5
Interesting stat put up on the screen yesterday during the telecast of the Fordham game.. Mark Schmidt has recruited or developed 10 NBA draft picks during his coaching career. It obviously encompasses his assistant coaching years but that is pretty good. Pay attention Kyle Alexander or any other recruit for that matter. The guy develops players. That does not include all the players he has had that have played professional basketball over seas. It all says a lot about how he is able to develops players and why his teams appear to improve over the season. It is that reputation that appears to starting to pay recruiting dividends. I like the potential of the two players signed and may get better, if we can land a couple of our top targets the next two years to got with them.
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Post by Chuck on Mar 9, 2015 9:23:39 GMT -5
I agree Solomon was a much better recruiter than a coach. Solomon left Schmidt 4 returning players (Lee, Relph, Fereti and Benson) and 3 recruits (Cook, Morgan and Eleby). Solomon kicked Fereti off the team and Schmidt brought him back. It took Schmdt to turn them into quality A-10 basketball players. Solomon's biggest recruiting mistake has to be when he overruled Jayson Gee and chose Eleby over Frank Turner and then says Turner can't play in the A-10. Turner is Canisius 4th all time scorer and all time leader in assists. There is no doubt Chapman left a lot more for Baron than what Schmidt inherited. Chapman left the following starting lineup: Harry Moore, Nelson-Richards, Vanterpool, Mance, Quackenbush and Jason Brower was coming off the bench. Schmidt accomplished more with a lot less talent. This is true for not only the early years, but throughout their careers at Bonas. Again both Schmidt and Baron have been important coaches for the Bonnies. www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/st-bonaventure/1993.htmlwww.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/st-bonaventure/2008.htmlwww.gogriffs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=209827692
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Post by Chuck on Mar 9, 2015 9:46:11 GMT -5
That does not include all the players he has had that have played professional basketball over seas. It all says a lot about how he is able to develops players and why his teams appear to improve over the season. It is that reputation that appears to starting to pay recruiting dividends. I like the potential of the two players signed and may get better, if we can land a couple of our top targets the next two years to got with them. Completely agree with the above. Schmidt keeps signing low rated recruits with a high upside and then develops them into quality A-10 players. Bona 1971 is correct Schmidt's reputation is starting to payoff. I'm sure it was a factor with Griffin and Woods choosing the Bonnies. I also think in the past a high profile recruit like Kyle Alexander would have removed the Bonnies off his list as soon as the big name schools start recruiting him, but he sees what happened with big men Andrew and Youssou. Maybe more importantly his dad sees it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 6:58:04 GMT -5
Overall the conference isn't as good under Schmidt. If you look at the RPI from then to now it is mind blowing.
2014 - 2015 - 4 teams with a 200 + rpi 2013 - 2014 - 1 team 200 + rpi 2012 - 2013 - 3 teams with a 200 + rpi 2011 - 2012 - 2 teams with a 200 + rpi 2010 - 2011 - 3 teams with a 200 + rpi
I personally think the league would be better at 10 - 11 teams, but that is just my opinion.
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