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Post by res on Mar 7, 2015 10:43:52 GMT -5
I'm don't buy the News' BS any more than I buy yours. Whatever your "eye test" might be telling you, UB is rated higher by every objective measurer. That's neither a good nor bad circumstance. It's never been clear to me why a few posters here seem to have a grudge against UB.
As to Albany, I would point out that they've had a pretty good season, albeit against the 324th rated schedule in the country.
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Post by gdub2009 on Mar 7, 2015 11:03:17 GMT -5
Schmidt's run since 2012 A10 Championship 11-12 NCAA A10 Championship 12-13 Missed A10 Tourney, but let's get real here it was with a 7-9 record in the conference. 13-14 RPI:93 Would have made NIT old format 14-15 RPI:104 Very possibly would make NIT again by old format, bc Bonnies made it as RPI of 107 in '98 So that would be an A10 Championship and 2 NIT apperances in 4 years. 18 wins & a 6-10 league record in '13--14 wouldn't & didn't get an NIT bid. We would have to get to the A-10 finals this year to even get a sniff of the NIT so not sure how you can include 2 NIT "appearances" az63, how the NIT invites it's teams is totally different than what it used to be. Case in point, 97-98 SBU team made the NIT with a 16-15 record, 6-10 A10 record and a 107 RPI. Last year 18-15 6-10 and 93 RPI. This year 16-12 9-8 and 102 RPI. Both better seasons than the 97-98 season.
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Post by gdub2009 on Mar 7, 2015 11:11:07 GMT -5
I am not now and I never have been a fan of the RPI. However, your example proves nothing. It's one game among many, and for the record, Bona won by nine at the Reilly Center, hardly a neutral court. Would you argue that UMES is a better team than Bona based on the results of a single game? Or Delaware? Buffalo is simply a better team than Bona right now, currently ranked 57 by kenpom. Bona is ranked 116, not all that different from RPI. Sagarin, Massey, et. al show similar results. Denigrate UB's schedule or its conference to your heart's content, the Bulls would be about a 5 point favorite on a neutral court if they were playing tonight. [/quot Buffalo is not a better team than SBU. We beat them head to head they have an artificially high RPI by losing to Kentucky and Wisconsin. They don't have one good win on their schedule. Don't buy the Buffalo News BS. They have no shot at an at large if they don't win their tourney. They Arent even the best SUNY Albany is The MAC is being perceived as a terrible conference when it is not. The MAC is the 10th best conference this year on Kenpom. The A10 is the 8th best conference. The MAC has 4 teams in the top 100 and the A10 has 6. I don't even like UB, but I will give them some respect. No they won't get an at-large, but if SBU and UB played on a neutral floor, UB would be favored in the game.
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Post by faffy444 on Mar 7, 2015 11:12:41 GMT -5
18 wins & a 6-10 league record in '13--14 wouldn't & didn't get an NIT bid. We would have to get to the A-10 finals this year to even get a sniff of the NIT so not sure how you can include 2 NIT "appearances" az63, how the NIT invites it's teams is totally different than what it used to be. Case in point, 97-98 SBU team made the NIT with a 16-15 record, 6-10 A10 record and a 107 RPI. Last year 18-15 6-10 and 93 RPI. This year 16-12 9-8 and 102 RPI. Both better seasons than the 97-98 season. re: the 13-14 season and not making the NIT. the bonnies lost their last 5 regular season games. schmidt made a comment about not caring about the losses as the A10 tourney was a new season, or beginning. something along those lines. if the bonnies would have won just 2 or those last 5 regular season games they would have ended with a 20 win season, that would have been enuf to get them into the NIT. for a coach to make a comment about not caring about losing his last 5 regular season games is pathetic, and absurd. but mostly its telling !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 12:21:12 GMT -5
I'm don't buy the News' BS any more than I buy yours. Whatever your "eye test" might be telling you, UB is rated higher by every objective measurer. That's neither a good nor bad circumstance. It's never been clear to me why a few posters here seem to have a grudge against UB. As to Albany, I would point out that they've had a pretty good season, albeit against the 324th rated schedule in the country. [/quote Is head to head an objective measure used by an objective measurer such as yourself? How about quality wins did they beat VCU or Davidson?
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Post by res on Mar 7, 2015 12:50:31 GMT -5
I'm no more objective than you. Others are, however.
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Post by orangehater on Mar 7, 2015 14:47:57 GMT -5
Schmidt for his consistency. His worst results are far better than JB
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Post by gdub2009 on Mar 7, 2015 15:31:36 GMT -5
I'm don't buy the News' BS any more than I buy yours. Whatever your "eye test" might be telling you, UB is rated higher by every objective measurer. That's neither a good nor bad circumstance. It's never been clear to me why a few posters here seem to have a grudge against UB. As to Albany, I would point out that they've had a pretty good season, albeit against the 324th rated schedule in the country. [/quote Is head to head an objective measure used by an objective measurer such as yourself? How about quality wins did they beat VCU or Davidson? The reason why Bonas is rated worse is because of their losses. Siena 272, UMES 193, Delaware 248. UB has only 1 loss in the 200s which is Ohio 229. UB's other losses (1,116,4,123,91,107,90,91). They don't have terrible losses, that helps your ranking.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 15:36:01 GMT -5
I'm no more objective than you. Others are, however. The scoreboard is VERY objective
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Post by firstdev on Mar 7, 2015 15:46:01 GMT -5
Its basically a tie, both coaches have some very enviable creds, each has an NCAA tournament appearance, each coach rebuilt the program from the very bottom of D1's death valley. Both are of Hall of Fame caliber. We are very lucky to have them in our storied program history.
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Post by res on Mar 7, 2015 15:53:16 GMT -5
The scoreboard is VERY objective I see. So Siena is better than Bona. Delaware, too, I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 20:50:10 GMT -5
The scoreboard is VERY objective I see. So Siena is better than Bona. Delaware, too, I suppose. [/quote Please give me one quality win suny ny had? You can't because there hasn't been any. . If SUNY ny wins their tournament that will be great for them. As a Bona fan I'm not sure why I should be happy for them.
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Post by Bonas08 on Mar 8, 2015 3:17:19 GMT -5
I would have to say we are comparing apples and oranges. Trying to rate who did a better job when the situations are totally different makes it almost impossible to give either coach a "fair" shot.
You can look at it from many different ways.
Baron didnt have to rebuild a program from the ground up Baron didnt need to prove himself to the community, as he was already well known and had the support Baron didnt coach at Bonas during a horrible US recession
Schmidt on the other hand is very well liked because, hey, his name isnt Anthony Soloman. Schmidt is able to take better advantage of technology and watch youtube reels instantly for recruiting, something Baron never had Many games now are streamed, easier to watch footage of opponents Schmidt is able to use his success with AN to say anyone can become something big at Bonas.
Basically the main point I am trying to show is that we are living in a much different world today, than we were in Barons era, and trying to compare who was better at Bonas really not fair to either coach.
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Post by bonabum06 on Mar 8, 2015 6:08:25 GMT -5
Schmidt is a far better coach. sometimes he has head scratching losses (umes, Delaware, Fordham 2013) but watching his teams play they are always prepared.
I hate and love him at the same time.
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Post by OceanStateBonnie on Mar 8, 2015 6:08:26 GMT -5
Its basically a tie, both coaches have some very enviable creds, each has an NCAA tournament appearance, each coach rebuilt the program from the very bottom of D1's death valley. Both are of Hall of Fame caliber. We are very lucky to have them in our storied program history. Baron already is in the Bona HOF.
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