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Post by bub on Mar 6, 2015 11:50:25 GMT -5
Not even close at this point. The A10 is a big boy league now and the Bonnies are in the mix on a consistent basis, the recruiting is working, and they've made it to the top recently. Not sure I would say the A10 is a big boy league now. Look at the first season Baron coached. The Bonnies lost 10 straight games in a row to finish the season and still had an RPI of 139. Now that is impressive. We lost 10 straight games to finish the season and still had an RPI of 139? That tells me how flawed and moronic the RPI is. Case in point. UBuffalo has a current RPI of 37 and we have an RPI of 112. We beat them by 10 on a neutral court. We play in a far better conference with a higher RPI rating. UBuffalo does not have one quality win. Not one. Oh yeah. Wait a minute. UBuffalo lost on the road to #1 KY and #5 Wisconsin. Yep, makes perfect sense to me. The RPI is a joke. Best part of when the actual tournament starts is we don't have to listen to that clown Joe Lunardi gives us hourly updates on who's in and who's out based on RPI's. It is amazing how critical those three losses to Siena, Delaware and UMES hurt our season. If we had done what we were suppose to do in those three games, we would be playing for an At-Large bid next week instead of an NIT or CBI bid.
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Post by gdub2009 on Mar 6, 2015 11:50:40 GMT -5
efboca i agree - it was an interesting question. I'm optimistic on schmidt and our future now that we have a asst dedicated to toronto - that should be an increase in talent provided to schmidt and hee has always coached up his talent well. We have never hit the success where Baron had the program humming 1998 - NIT appearance 1999 - miss NIT but remember TIM Winn suspended for season start 2000 - NCAA 2001 - NIT with only a PVP injury stopping us from back to back NCAA 2002 - NIT I just dont think Schmidt approaches that 5 year run the program was in - and thats with a few bad breaks thrown in there. That sucess spanned recruiting classes Win & Cyrus and Capers giving to Kevin houston, PVP, Bremmer Green & Gansey... thats not just recruiting 1 star. Only a wacko like Wick would be looking to usher out any coach with those string of seasons and recruits You are still using the NIT comparison. Schmidt's run since 2012 A10 Championship 11-12 NCAA A10 Championship 12-13 Missed A10 Tourney, but let's get real here it was with a 7-9 record in the conference. 13-14 RPI:93 Would have made NIT old format 14-15 RPI:104 Very possibly would make NIT again by old format, bc Bonnies made it as RPI of 107 in '98 So that would be an A10 Championship and 2 NIT apperances in 4 years.
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Post by gdub2009 on Mar 6, 2015 12:00:06 GMT -5
Not sure I would say the A10 is a big boy league now. Look at the first season Baron coached. The Bonnies lost 10 straight games in a row to finish the season and still had an RPI of 139. Now that is impressive. We lost 10 straight games to finish the season and still had an RPI of 139? That tells me how flawed and moronic the RPI is. Case in point. UBuffalo has a current RPI of 37 and we have an RPI of 112. We beat them by 10 on a neutral court. We play in a far better conference with a higher RPI rating. UBuffalo does not have one quality win. Not one. Oh yeah. Wait a minute. UBuffalo lost on the road to #1 KY and #5 Wisconsin. Yep, makes perfect sense to me. The RPI is a joke. Best part of when the actual tournament starts is we don't have to listen to that clown Joe Lunardi gives us hourly updates on who's in and who's out based on RPI's. It is amazing how critical those three losses to Siena, Delaware and UMES hurt our season. If we had done what we were suppose to do in those three games, we would be playing for an At-Large bid next week instead of an NIT or CBI bid. 92-93 Atlantic 10 Teams Rutgers 95 URI 21 Temple 18 West Virginia 48 UMass 11 GW 26 St. Joe's 60 4 teams make the NCAA out of 8 teams in the conference. I don't care if you think the RPI is a joke, the A10 got half their teams in the NCAA Tourney. Those 4 teams all won their first round game. GW and Temple made the Sweet 16 and Temple made the Elite 8.
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Post by jh on Mar 6, 2015 12:07:17 GMT -5
GDUB You also miss pointing out that the NCAA has expanded to 68 teams with the play in games which opens up 4 new slots in the NIT. We missed out going to Brooklyn by losing at home (a must win game) to Fordham due in large part by Mantrell Thomas having a big game as a frosh against us.
And your assuming the Baron teams just barely made the NIT which is not true - in fact the 2001 team was up on Pitt by a good margin at halftime
I'd look up the All A10 players under each to measure/define the talent Winn, Green, Bremer were 1ste team All A10 players - Kevin Houston was 2nd team despite 20/10 season
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Post by gdub2009 on Mar 6, 2015 12:17:31 GMT -5
jh, I already agreed with you that he brought in better players. I was comparing the 5 year run you showed with Baron, which one year wasn't Baron. Schmidt's 4 year run is just as good, bc if the NIT didn't do the autobid process the Bonnies would have made the NIT the years I specified.
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Post by kcSBU03 on Mar 6, 2015 12:47:11 GMT -5
This really is a fascinating debate. I dont know who I would pick. I have seen both first hand and both have their pros and cons.
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Post by res on Mar 6, 2015 12:54:07 GMT -5
That tells me how flawed and moronic the RPI is. Case in point. UBuffalo has a current RPI of 37 and we have an RPI of 112. We beat them by 10 on a neutral court. I am not now and I never have been a fan of the RPI. However, your example proves nothing. It's one game among many, and for the record, Bona won by nine at the Reilly Center, hardly a neutral court. Would you argue that UMES is a better team than Bona based on the results of a single game? Or Delaware? Buffalo is simply a better team than Bona right now, currently ranked 57 by kenpom. Bona is ranked 116, not all that different from RPI. Sagarin, Massey, et. al show similar results. Denigrate UB's schedule or its conference to your heart's content, the Bulls would be about a 5 point favorite on a neutral court if they were playing tonight.
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Post by mcspin on Mar 6, 2015 13:04:20 GMT -5
I'm going to call it a tie, which can't be too far off reality.
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Post by bub on Mar 6, 2015 13:17:29 GMT -5
That tells me how flawed and moronic the RPI is. Case in point. UBuffalo has a current RPI of 37 and we have an RPI of 112. We beat them by 10 on a neutral court. I am not now and I never have been a fan of the RPI. However, your example proves nothing. It's one game among many, and for the record, Bona won by nine at the Reilly Center, hardly a neutral court. Would you argue that UMES is a better team than Bona based on the results of a single game? Or Delaware? Buffalo is simply a better team than Bona right now, currently ranked 57 by kenpom. Bona is ranked 116, not all that different from RPI. Sagarin, Massey, et. al show similar results. Denigrate UB's schedule or its conference to your heart's content, the Bulls would be about a 5 point favorite on a neutral court if they were playing tonight. My bad on the neutral court. You are correct. On the other hand, my issue is more with the bogus computer figures, not necessarily UB. I hammer the RPI and you quote me Kenpom numbers. I'll say this. If they ever do play on a neutral court and we are 5 point dog, I think I'm flying to Vegas to pay my mortgage off.
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Post by artvandalay on Mar 6, 2015 13:44:54 GMT -5
Larry Weise
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Post by res on Mar 6, 2015 13:54:57 GMT -5
I hammer the RPI and you quote me Kenpom numbers. Don't conflate RPI and kenpom.
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Post by Sipowicz on Mar 6, 2015 15:12:45 GMT -5
UMES is currently 18-13 and was supposed to finish 12th out of 14 teams and is currently ranked 3rd in the MEAC.
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Post by az63 on Mar 6, 2015 21:53:36 GMT -5
Schmidt's run since 2012 A10 Championship 11-12 NCAA A10 Championship 12-13 Missed A10 Tourney, but let's get real here it was with a 7-9 record in the conference. 13-14 RPI:93 Would have made NIT old format 14-15 RPI:104 Very possibly would make NIT again by old format, bc Bonnies made it as RPI of 107 in '98 So that would be an A10 Championship and 2 NIT apperances in 4 years. 18 wins & a 6-10 league record in '13--14 wouldn't & didn't get an NIT bid. We would have to get to the A-10 finals this year to even get a sniff of the NIT so not sure how you can include 2 NIT "appearances"
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Post by fjs64 on Mar 6, 2015 23:48:09 GMT -5
Not sure I would say the A10 is a big boy league now. Look at the first season Baron coached. The Bonnies lost 10 straight games in a row to finish the season and still had an RPI of 139. Now that is impressive. We lost 10 straight games to finish the season and still had an RPI of 139? That tells me how flawed and moronic the RPI is. Case in point. UBuffalo has a current RPI of 37 and we have an RPI of 112. We beat them by 10 on a neutral court. We play in a far better conference with a higher RPI rating. UBuffalo does not have one quality win. Not one. Oh yeah. Wait a minute. UBuffalo lost on the road to #1 KY and #5 Wisconsin. Yep, makes perfect sense to me. The RPI is a joke. Best part of when the actual tournament starts is we don't have to listen to that clown Joe Lunardi gives us hourly updates on who's in and who's out based on RPI's. It is amazing how critical those three losses to Siena, Delaware and UMES hurt our season. If we had done what we were suppose to do in those three games, we would be playing for an At-Large bid next week instead of an NIT or CBI bid. Hate to be picky, but we beat UB by 9 and it was at the RC.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2015 10:20:56 GMT -5
That tells me how flawed and moronic the RPI is. Case in point. UBuffalo has a current RPI of 37 and we have an RPI of 112. We beat them by 10 on a neutral court. I am not now and I never have been a fan of the RPI. However, your example proves nothing. It's one game among many, and for the record, Bona won by nine at the Reilly Center, hardly a neutral court. Would you argue that UMES is a better team than Bona based on the results of a single game? Or Delaware? Buffalo is simply a better team than Bona right now, currently ranked 57 by kenpom. Bona is ranked 116, not all that different from RPI. Sagarin, Massey, et. al show similar results. Denigrate UB's schedule or its conference to your heart's content, the Bulls would be about a 5 point favorite on a neutral court if they were playing tonight. [/quot Buffalo is not a better team than SBU. We beat them head to head they have an artificially high RPI by losing to Kentucky and Wisconsin. They don't have one good win on their schedule. Don't buy the Buffalo News BS. They have no shot at an at large if they don't win their tourney. They Arent even the best SUNY Albany is
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